25 by zuli Andrew J. Bevan wrote:The degree of Venus' fall at 27 Virgo has struck me as having an effect, or rather significance, on the interest rates. This, I would explain, as being the price you have to pay for taking something out into existance... Yes, 27 Virgo is the very worst place for Venus. Quote Mon Apr 07, 2008 6:45 pm
26 by patzone123 astrojin wrote:Hello, Quote: Fire - Sun, Air - Jupiter, Water - Moon, Earth ? Saturn It really is a pretty scheme. Simple, no need for convoluted thinking. It is closely tied to temperament ? it even looks meaningful. Well, if we are looking for triplicity - element - temperament agreement then let me suggest another variation:- Fire - Mars Air - Jupiter Water - Venus Earth - Saturn. I leave the luminaries out of the scheme because the luminaries (sun and moon) are the king and queen of a chart (similar reason as to why there no sun's or moon's terms). The 5 planets (Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn) are the "agents" of destiny. Even, in Chinese Astrology and Philosophy - there are 5 elements corresponding to the 5 planets (and this is probably why they had/have 5 elements). Jupiter = abundance = wood element, Mars = fire (what else!), Saturn = earth, Venus = metal, Mercury = water. In chinese philosophy, there is no air element. This is taken up by water (water in liquid form = water, water in vapor form = air). But, in Western system (or other then the Chinese) we have only 4 elements. One of the planets must then, not rule any element. This falls to Mercury who is by nature = "variable" i.e. not male not female, not diurnal not nocturnal, ... So, Saturn: planetary nature = cold + dry. The corresponding element (cold + dry) = earth. The coressponding temperament is then melancholic (Saturnine). Jupiter: planetary nature = hot + wet. The corresponding element (hot + wet) = air (hot is moving and active, wet is fluid and connecting, combine then and we get air). The coressponding temperament is then sanguine (Jovial!). Mars: planetary nature = hot + dry. The corresponding element (hot + dry) = fire. The corresponding temperament is the choleric (fiery). Venus: planetary nature = cold + wet. The corresponding element (cold + wet) = water. The corresponding temperament is the phlegmatic. So each agent of destiny (excluding Mercury) is given one element to rule, one pair of qualities and one temperament. *** Note: some classical astrlogers put Venus = hot + wet... Mars and saturn were considered to be malefic planets so they were placed in sects opposite to their nature to help moderate their malefic effects. I would propose another scheme switching saturn and mars: Saturn - fire Jupiter - air Venus - water Mars - earth Quote Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:01 am