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Hi Mark/James

I did a bit of research on the date about 10 years ago. I came to the conclusion that the confusion Campion had over the report in the UK press was because of the time difference. I am convinced the date is 9 September. And since it was an international agreement I use midnight. So far it works pretty well.

When I looked at the chart for 2017-2020 it appeared that the military issues would continue for some time, and the country's situation would deteriorate over that period. Now is not a good time but it is not by any means the worst I expect- though much of what I anticipate is internal, there is a real danger of some external developments.

Here is my forecast for Sept-Dec written this January

September and October are interesting as they see the people and leadership opposed. There is once again a focus on military issues but it is less well managed now and there may be short term escalation in related matters. Some days may be tricky though there is little evidence of any long term conflict.


November and December actually see the people reach a turning point but they seem to be fully aligned with the government. There are, once more, some surprises in relation to the leadership, and indeed its relationship with the people.

It is a more tricky time with challenging relationships with other nations, an increase in misinformation and a tendency for the leader to use big threats to consolidate his position.
Editing to add significators.( Have to type them as they won't cut and paste)

General
PL qnx PL
NP qnx NP

Sept-Oct
MOp OPP SOp
SA cnj MA p TRI ASC
JU sxt MA P sxt SA qnx ASC UR qnx MO p
then JU squ VE cnj MA sxt JU p

Nov-Dec
MO p opp MO
PL Squ VE
UR qnx SO p MO
SA qnx SA qnx MO P opp ASC UR cnj JU p qnx VE
JU sxt IC SA cnj MEp NP opp MC p squ PL sxt SO
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It is slightly ironic that the "explosion" shock waves have reached Skyscript too.

I don't think I need to apologise. I wasn't trying to upset. I was referring to James and I'm amazed that we've sort of sat up in surprise at the moment Mercury and Mars reactivated the recent Eclipse.

I personally have been waiting for this moment and fully expected either Uncle Kim to do something stupid, which he has, or the USA to bomb him.

I wonder what Mercury SD brings to the party now and this week? Uranus in trine. Regulus involved.

And now because it occurred as a reactivation we will have this going on and on now. [Note to Self - Shut up !!]

I haven't read anywhere that an Eclipse ONLY affects the locations it covers. A simple idea but I don't think it is complete. I'm NOT sure about that NOR that they are ONLY -VE. Then tend to be powerful and surprising.

Apart from North Korea the 21st August Eclipse came off pretty +VE.

But really I'm coming to understand they have to be woven into any ongoing analysis.

And that is hard to do.

H

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Amelia wrote:
I did a bit of research on the date about 10 years ago. I came to the conclusion that the confusion Campion had over the report in the UK press was because of the time difference. I am convinced the date is 9 September. And since it was an international agreement I use midnight. So far it works pretty well.
Thanks Amelia,

I always respect your input so thanks for that.

So just to be clear your suggesting 00.00.01 hours at the start of the 9th or 23.59.59 at its close?

The former would give a Scorpio Moon disposited by Mars in its domicile of Scorpio which I think many astrologers would feel is a more comfortable fit for this secretive and pugnacious state than a Sagittarius Moon.

Just a bit confused by your idea this date was elected by International agreement? Campion states the date was simply the date of a proclamation of a government being formed in Pyongyang. There seems to have been de jure agreement of the division of Korea in the agreement which was incorporated into General Order No. 1 approved on 17 August 1945 for the surrender of Japan. But the de facto division of Korea into two occupation zones effectively started on September 8, 1945, with the United States administering the southern half of the peninsula and the Soviet Union formally taking over the area north of the 38th parallel.

South Korea seems to have become an independent state before the north on 15th August 1948.

Did your research turn up another agreement between the US and Soviets for for both parts of Korea to become independent states? As the cold war was intensifying in that period it seems unlikely.

With this plethora of dates I am beginning to think we could use a timeline of key dates in Korean history!

Mark
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Rocko wrote:
I don't think I need to apologise.
I never suggested you should. Just reminding you and anyone else stopping in here that there are more subtle ways to express disagreement. That is it really. Lets not make a mountain out of a molehill.

Rocko wrote:
I wasn't trying to upset.
I'm sure not but on media like this without a chance to see a person in the face its much easier for misunderstandings to occur and offence to be taken. So treating everyone with a modicum of respect is the way to go. As I said though lets keep this in perspective and move on.

Rocko wrote:
I personally have been waiting for this moment and fully expected either Uncle Kim to do something stupid, which he has, or the USA to bomb him.
Yes. Me too. I think anyone who has really studied eclipses knows from experience that planets crossing the eclipse degree can be major trigger points in the outer world. Evidence if ever it was needed that eclipses have immense astrological significance!

Mark
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So just to be clear your suggesting 00.00.01 hours at the start of the 9th or 23.59.59 at its close?

The former would give a Scorpio Moon disposited by Mars in its domicile of Scorpio
Yes, that's right 00.01 with Scorpio Moon
Just a bit confused by your idea this date was elected by International agreement? Campion states the date was simply the date of a proclamation of a government being formed in Pyongyang.
Sorry, yes that was misleading; there was no formal agreement What I concluded was that the de facto division effectively created a separate northern state by default and the proclamation merely confirmed this to the people. The time is therefore not definitive.
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I've just noticed something I didn't spot before (wood & trees!).

This week coming NK's progressed Uranus and natal Jupiter are in exact opposition. Given that we also have an applying Uranus -Jupiter opposition in the sky, this is pretty mega and obviously represents what has been building since the country formed.
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And here, for completeness, is my equivalent forecast for US- (written last Christmas).
It looks as if the leadership may be more settled into the traditional mould by September, even if that mist/fog still makes policy development slow.

But that does not mean that the surrounding conditions are more settled. Indeed there is a very risky phase in September. However, we need to consider the financial charts to determine whether the problems are debt and budgets and/or recessionary , and to consider other countries before we attribute all problems as internal to the US. We must not exclude natural disasters from the picture either.

Despite more communication or technology challenges in December, the month is generally more stable than the rest of the year and may even end on a relative high for the leadership.
Significators ( Sibly chart)

ongoing:
SO p tri SO and NP cnj SO p squ ASC

Sep/Oct
PL opp JU p squ MA p
JU t opp ( UR cnj VE p sxt MO squ PL qnx NP)
SA opp MA squ NP
Mo P sxt ME p
JU opp VE p
JU cnj SA qnx MC p

Nov/Dec
UR squ ME
UR tri MO p SQU NP
then JU tri SO tri SO p
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Noting that I said to myself that I should be quiet for a few days, if you are right Amelia about a progressed opposition between Uranus and Jupiter in a North Korean natal chart then that is bad news.

This can give a real unfounded Euphoric Mentality that, especially in the Stock Markets, takes Investors on a trip, that ONLY ends badly.

Even as t.Mars moves off Trump's ascendant, Mercury sits there all this week. The whole thing is getting pretty complicated.

And he's a Gemini ??

H

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There is a small point I'd like to make here.
North Korea is +8 hrs. 30 min. from UT. I originally did the chart with my own astrology program but got a different result on astro.com.
I was confused until I checked with World Clock.com.
Time zones around the world can be a little tricky.

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There is a small point I'd like to make here.
North Korea is +8 hrs. 30 min. from UT. I originally did the chart with my own astrology program but got a different result on astro.com.
I was confused until I checked with World Clock.com.
Time zones around the world can be a little tricky.
Yes. NK is different from SK. I set mine for 9hours difference because I was basing it on the separation from SK ( and I liked the chart!!!). But if you were using a timed internal proclamation then I guess the NK time zone would be more appropriate.
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Nipoleon wrote:
Time zones around the world can be a little tricky.
They sure can. We have all been there believe me. Especially when you get to far distant and rather quirky locations like North Korea.

Mark
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Mark wrote: So just to be clear your suggesting 00.00.01 hours at the start of the 9th or 23.59.59 at its close?

The former would give a Scorpio Moon disposited by Mars in its domicile of Scorpio which I think many astrologers would feel is a more comfortable fit for this secretive and pugnacious state than a Sagittarius Moon.
Mark
amelia wrote: What I concluded was that the de facto division effectively created a separate northern state by default and the proclamation merely confirmed this to the people. The time is therefore not definitive.
mark and amelia,

a few thoughts... as there are so many times available to choose from, i think one is walking down a briar patch with no clear way in it all.. it is another reason i favour ingress charts..

the problem with characterizing a country a particular way - this country has moon in scorpio as opposed to moon in sag - for instance - just doesn't cut it for me.. unless one knows the country and it's history in a deep way, i think one is skating on very thin ice with these ways of saying which chart is the more likely..

reading material for one's consideration - https://www.thoughtco.com/why-north-kor ... rea-195632

and craig murrays latest... https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives ... rean-bomb/

photolog in the dprk from aug 24-31st from eva bartlett.
https://ingaza.wordpress.com/2017/09/04 ... -the-dprk/