I am not so familiar (or all knowing) about the poster called Amelia, a person who rarely comments on the mundane section, by the way. Is it fair, then, to assume, blindly, that I know everything about Amelia, or about anyone ?

I was merely asking her a fair question, relevant in every aspect, about her interest in communism. Why get so defensive about that.

Regarding this thread discussion about Neptune and communism, since this forum is widely known as a traditional astrology forum, that tends to attack modern astrology at every opportunity, one cannot expect that any of the trans-Saturnian planets will be treated with any degree of objectivity and or fairness, in relation to mundane events, since many of you have been brainwashed by William Lily (and other traditional astrologers) and you have clearly made up your minds.

As an example, Mark mentions the launch chart for the publishing of the communist manifesto book, then, he opines this:

"The noon/untimed chart for the publication of the Communist Manifesto is very interesting with no less than 4 planets in Pisces. For the modern astrologers that might be seen as vindication of a Neptune association with the movement. However, from a traditional perspective Jupiter is the key dispositor planet in the chart. There is also a Moon-Mars trine."

My position on this matter is that, in mundane matters, Pisces must be co-ruled by both Neptune and Jupiter. In other words, Pisces has two gears.

If you want to really understand Pisces, go live with those people (as I have) and then, see what happens. My whole family, (mother, father, brother, wife, daughter, current room mate), they all have something important in Pisces.

Typically, one gear for them is Jupiter: an exaggerated sense of self-entitlement. "OH, THE WORLD OWES ME, LOTS." (no, it does not !)

The other gear (Neptune) is martyrdom: "OH, POOR ME. WHY AM i SUCH A FAILURE (or victim)!"

That pretty much describes the plight of not only every Sun in Pisces, but also, most communists, as well. Every one of them that I have met and I have worked with some of Canada's largest unions and that where most of the commies tend to hang out or retire ?

I once lived with a communist room mate for nearly one year. You can learn a lot from a communist, just by living with them. How many of you have lived with a communist.

Mark, while we appreciate your anecdotal evidence in a long winded post, (and based on your own opinions, only), this falls very short of what is done in actual research data situations.

Therefore, to do a proper, traditional astrological investigation of the planet Neptune and communism, we would like to see a case study involving much more than 10 natal charts.

Maybe a few hundred natal charts, or a few thousand of them. There are literally thousands of communist sympathizers, all over the world, so they would not be too hard to find.

Something along the lines of the Michel and Francoise Gauquelin research would be ideal, of course.

These types of research projects would/should take months to complete. Otherwise, an anecdotal research study of just a few charts cannot be taken that seriously.

Regarding the straying from the topic, business, your favorite son, Modwasp, talks about guns, socialism and mass murder, the types of idealist dogma, out there, this and that, (all have nothing to do with communism, yet no admonishment from you, at all, no deletion of his posts !).

So, a rule for me and another for Mod-wasp ? How ridiculous.

Although Neptune was said to be discovered in the year 1846, it is a much misunderstood and maligned planet. When one doesn't fully understand something, one is more likely to attack it ?

Neptune has been demonized by many, including the traditional crowd, as the planet of malfeasance, namely deceit, corruption, scandal, collusion, etc.

Since Neptune is a higher octave of Venus, as such, it is actual the planet of love and forgiveness. foremost.

Yet, so much hate and derision is found on this thread discussion.

How ironic !

Finally, the late Barbara Watters made the case (in her book, Horary Astrology and the Judgement of Events) about Neptune and its relationship with the theory of entropy, as postulated by Sir Isaac Newton's second law of thermodynamics, which states: (source Wikipedia)

" The second law of thermodynamics states that the total entropy of an isolated system can never decrease over time. The total entropy can remain constant in ideal cases where the system is in a steady state (equilibrium), or is undergoing a reversible process."

Miss Watters suggested in her book (an excellent read, btw) that entropy "is like taking a pinch of ink and squirting it into a gallon of water. In a few seconds, the ink will dissolve into the water and while you cannot see it, the ink is still there. It has not disappeared. Thus, Neptune rules entropy."

Therefore, the apparent dissolution of communism back in 1991 is actually a political mirage, a Neptunian trick, I suggest.

That's because communism never really disappeared from Russia, but, it got swallowed up by a greater entity.

Incidentally, most of today's capitalism and big business works that way, as well, via mergers and acquisitions. Eventually, only a handful of sharks (Pluto) will swim the waters, as every small fish (Neptune) will either be gobbled up, whole, or eaten by the largest sharks ?

That's food for thought, I'd say.




S.

So, a rule for me and another for Mod-wasp ? How ridiculous.

If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: Please leave me out of your crazy world.

Many thanks.

MW x

Modswap wrote:

If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times: Please leave me out of your crazy world.

Many thanks.

MW x

I have already notified members I do not want to see any further personalised comments like this on the forum.

Please bring any further complaints about other members to me by PM not the open forum.

Thanks

Mark

sabumnim wrote:

Regarding the straying from the topic, business, your favorite son, Modwasp, talks about guns, socialism and mass murder, the types of idealist dogma, out there, this and that, (all have nothing to do with communism, yet no admonishment from you, at all, no deletion of his posts !).

sabumnim will be taking a leave of absence from the forum for his recent behaviour here. Some of the rest of you here have also been skating on very thin ice. The others I am referring to have been sent messages by PM informing them of this.

Suspensions of accounts can and will occur to those who persistently ignore forum guidelines.

Thanks

Mark