Re: Thank You! 13 by amzolt Ox wrote:Thank you so much amzolt! Hmmm... You got it... Maybe you and Trevor could mull it over together... ~ Alex from Astrological Repair Manual Quote Fri Apr 24, 2009 10:32 pm
compensation 14 by Ox What I'm getting is: The observed 'effect' is a 'compensatory process' springing from the primordial cause. (I Ching demonstrates this beautifully) javascript:emoticon('8)') Therefore, perhaps rational types are quintessentially irrational, and irrational types are quintessentially rational- if this 'compensatory process' is kept in mind. Quote Sat Apr 25, 2009 2:37 pm
15 by Ox The Air element, which is conventionally aligned with Thinking, is displaying this quality as a 'compensatory effect' spurned on by Sensation. And the Earth element, which is conventionally aligned with Sensation, is displaying this quality as a 'compensatory effect' spurned on by Thinking. That's the meaning I got from your post amzolt. Quote Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:08 pm
16 by amzolt Ox wrote:The Air element, which is conventionally aligned with Thinking, is displaying this quality as a 'compensatory effect' spurned on by Sensation. And the Earth element, which is conventionally aligned with Sensation, is displaying this quality as a 'compensatory effect' spurned on by Thinking. That's the meaning I got from your post amzolt. Thanks for explaining your response! Actually, when you say, "The Air element, which is conventionally aligned with Thinking...", I must add that the "convention" of Air/Thinking is incorrect. If that is true then, "...is displaying this quality as a 'compensatory effect' spurned on by Sensation.", would not be a valid conclusion. Thinking and Sensation are not "compensatory". Thinking and Feeling as well as Intuition and Sensation are compensatory. I'm very happy you've brought up the Conscious/Unconscious Compensation phenomenon but I don't think it applies between Thinking and Sensation. The Thinking/Air and Sensation/Earth attributions are just wrong but still the compensatory process is what led me to making the Thinking/Earth and Sensation/Air attributions... ~ Alex from Astrological Repair Manual Quote Sat Apr 25, 2009 6:21 pm
17 by Ox Perhaps the crux of the problem is merely a confusion in terms then. For example, an Earth/Thinking type may relieve itself by a full out immersion in the senses, but then in turn is associated with the term 'Sensation' because of the symptoms it displays. Quote Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:13 pm
18 by amzolt Ox wrote:Perhaps the crux of the problem is merely a confusion in terms then. For example, an Earth/Thinking type may relieve itself by a full out immersion in the senses, but then in turn is associated with the term 'Sensation' because of the symptoms it displays. Are you conversant with Jung's description of the Types? ~ Alex from Astrological Repair Manual Quote Sat Apr 25, 2009 8:17 pm
19 by Ox On a surface level yes. But if I were to try to pin down there 'essence' I would be courting madness indeed . Quote Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:48 pm
20 by trevor These 3 links should clarify this : http://www.friesian.com/types.htm http://thezodiac.com/soul/elements/cornerstones.htm http://psychclassics.yorku.ca/Jung/types.htm ''Sensation Type or Function (Element of Earth - Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn): A person whose main function is sensation (earth) trusts rational, objective information which is practical and can be observed and gathered directly through the five senses of sight, taste, hearing, direct, and taste. Jung: "people who restrict themselves to the simple perception of concrete reality." 'Thinking Type or Function (Element of Air - Gemini, Libra, Aquarius): A person whose main function is thinking (air) makes rational, objective decisions based on hard, cold, logic and on logical connections. Jung: they are "oriented to what they think, and simply cannot adapt to a situation they cannot understand intellectually." If you agree with the 'modern' understanding of the astrological signs it is quite a seamless relationship. The previous chat here focused on the relationship between Jung's types and the 4 traditional humors, which was quite contentious. The 'truth' of all of this may need to wait until someone, with a sophisticated understanding of all the perspectives, spends a few yrs looking into it and writes a lengthy book. Quote Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:24 pm
21 by amzolt trevor wrote:The 'truth' of all of this may need to wait until someone, with a sophisticated understanding of all the perspectives, spends a few yrs looking into it and writes a lengthy book. I have spent many more than a few years doing much more than looking into it and I am writing a book... ~ Alex from Astrological Repair Manual Quote Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:30 pm
22 by Ox Yes, but... it shouldn't come as such a shock, that when someone spends more energy defending the depth of their well than providing actual sustenance for discussion, they could very well be seen as compensating... Quote Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:33 pm
23 by amzolt Ox wrote:Yes, but... it shouldn't come as such a shock, that when someone spends more energy defending the depth of their well than providing actual sustenance for discussion, they could very well be seen as compensating... One more attempt to clarify my position. In Jung's typology, Intuition and Sensation are opposite, compensatory types and Feeling and Thinking are as well. No one seems to be arguing that Intuition=Fire and Feeling=Water. So... What is opposite Fire and compensates for it? Air. Just as Earth compensates for Water. I hope that clarifies my position. ~ Alex from Astrological Repair Manual Quote Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:08 pm
24 by Ox It seems to make sense on paper, but perhaps Jung defined his Types outside the boundaries of 'just astrology', and had more of a shamanic 'ideal' in mind when it came aligning polarities. Quote Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:02 pm