Favorable aspects to elect a marriage chart? 1 by voyagergirl Have any of you ever done an electional marriage chart? If so, what aspects do you look for to help ensure a long and happy marriage? Venus rising? Mars NOT in the 7th? Trines between the significators of the 1st and 7th houses? A conjunction between venus and mars? Are there aspects that you would definitely NOT want in a marriage chart? And if so, what are they? Also, what about the Moon's position or sign? Are some signs more favorable than others to elect a marriage chart? Thanks for your input. Quote Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:10 am
2 by Carol Here are a few notes from a session I had on the subject: The houses are most important, and ideally every house would be ruled by a highly dignified, unafflicted planet. But this is impossible, so you look at the most important ones, i.e., 1st/couple, 2nd/their finances, 4th/their home, 5th/kids & sex life. If any of the other houses look good, too, that's a fringe benefit. And the time you use is the time of the "I do's." Quote Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:58 am
3 by Tanit Just as common sense, I would not want hard Saturn aspects to important planets, like Venus or the Moon. Moon-Saturn square in particular makes for little compatibility and a lack of mutual understanding. This would especially be true if Saturn were in the 4th house, as this is difficult in living with someone. You want Saturn well placed and not wrecking havoc on the marriage because of its seriousness. A little Saturn is good for stability, especially soft aspects (trine and sextile), but too much will lead to a party-pooper marriage. Venus-Saturn hard aspects could add to coldness (including the conjunction), and/or feelings that one side will be hurt by the other somehow (a fear of rejection). Also, you don't want too much Neptune because, although it will add a dreamy quality to the marriage at first, in the end it could go very bad when one side deceives the other. Hard Uranus aspects to Venus would also stand out because there would be too much need for freedom in the relationship for a stable relationship. The same sort of ideas as a composite chart come into play here. Keep Saturn, Uranus and Pluto (manipulation, power struggles) from having too much control. I especially would think Uranus conjunct the DESC could make the relationship unstable. An unhappy Mars is also never a good thing, as I'm sure anyone can imagine. I would say the Sun conjunct Venus is excellent, as this is one of the strongest indications of a love union. If you could get that in a strong house, especially the angular ones, that would be a very good thing. If the Sun, Moon, Venus (the lesser love), Jupiter, and Neptune (the higher love) are in good aspects to each other somehow, that is very favorable. Moon in the 4th sounds like a good placement to me. Make sure she isn't in her fall, detriment or peregrine. Last edited by Tanit on Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:27 am, edited 2 times in total. Quote Fri Aug 14, 2009 4:58 am
4 by Tanit I would add that it also depends a lot on what the couple wants to gain out of the relationship. If they are business-minded and want to make a mark on the world, you'd want a prominent 10th house. If they are very Mercurial and need to communicate and have intellectual connections, make sure Mercury is in a good sign and well placed/aspected. Perhaps Mercury ruling the rising sign. When I helped my best friend plan her wedding, I looked at the couple's charts first. That can help you in regards to signs also - since some signs (or at least elements) are strong between them. Quote Fri Aug 14, 2009 5:17 am
5 by Deb If you want a long and enduring marriage, put the Moon and angles, or as many significators as possible, in fixed signs (with the realisation that this means the couple will struggle on for better or worse; and worse and worse and worse ...) To counter that, strengthen and dignify Venus any way you can - but don't go for Venus combust. Also, don't put the ascendant in Libra as this sign is too changeable and not good for a lasting marriage. Try to get the benefics elevated or near the angles. Keep the malefics off the angles. Get the Moon in a good aspect to the Sun. To get it perfect you might have to pick a few planets out of the sky and manually rearrange them - not always possible, so probably you will have to settle for a moment that is 'not too bad'. And that will be good enough as long as the moment allows good contacts with the two birth charts. If the moment doesn't work well with the two birth charts, or those two charts are not harmonious to each other, it doesn't matter how good the marriage moment is - this just means they'll have a nice day for a difficult marriage. Quote Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:51 am
6 by Labalance What about if there is a delay in the start of the ceremony? Our wedding was planned for 1pm but we intended to start at 1:30 and then there was some delay and wait for a few guests. I'm not even sure what time we started at now. But from everything said here, we probably won't last long as we have all the negatives listed! Moon besieged by Saturn and mars, but in cancer. Sun in Gemini conjunct mercury on the cusp of the 10th. Libra rising. Venus retrograde in Gemini as well. I wonder why we get along? ') Quote Sun Aug 16, 2009 9:21 pm
7 by aglaya Labalance wrote: But from everything said here, we probably won't last long as we have all the negatives listed! Moon besieged by Saturn and mars, but in cancer. Sun in Gemini conjunct mercury on the cusp of the 10th. Libra rising. Venus retrograde in Gemini as well. I wonder why we get along? ') Hi, Labalance! Are you talking about your Sinastry chart or about the electional chart for the date of your marriage? Quote Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:26 pm
8 by Southern_Sky I elected the time for my wedding ceremony this year, and the following points might be useful: --Moon increasing in light, ie waxing (as we want the relationship to grow/increase) --Fixed signs on the angles (for longevity) --The ruler of the 7th houses of bride and groom to be well posited in the chart by house, dignity - if possible --Planetary day and hour to be compatible (e.g. Venus hour, Venus day - or perhaps a Saturn component to solidify matters) --Venus in a good house and sign, and/or conjunct a fortunate fixed star, such as Spica, or Cazimi. --Asc/MC conjunct fortunate fixed stars In my case, there wasn't much scope in March this year for a well-positioned Venus, as it was in Aries/detriment, so I opted to pick the day, hour and minute of the Sun-Venus conjunction (Cazimi), which was luckily a Venus day (Friday) in a Saturn hour for the wedding location. Venus also happens to be my 7th house ruler, and the conjunction occured on my natal Asc. It IS very hard to elect a time when everything 'lines up' astrologically. However, if you can cover as many points as possible, so much the better. Quote Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:40 am
9 by Labalance Hi Aglaya! That was the electional time for our wedding. I think it's pretty funny, because although it lines up really well with our charts (ie Libra rising-I'm a Libra with Virgo/Libra rising and my husband is Aries rising). Both Mars (in Cancer conjunct the moon and Saturn) and Venus (retrograde in Gemini) are weak. All the planets are scattered across the 9th and 10th houses. The funny thing is people are always commenting on how it was the perfect wedding. Outdoors in Occidental California. If you want to look at the chart it's June 19, 2004 at 1:45pm (that's my best guess, as we had the invitations set for 1pm and planned to start the ceremony at 1:30 but were delayed). It will be interesting to see how it plays out in the future. Quote Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:53 pm
10 by Tanit There is much to consider about a marriage. The electional chart for your wedding is not a be-all, end-all of the matter. The relationship between you both likely began long before the wedding anyway, unlike ancient times when married couples were often strangers... Nowadays, it is more a legal formality than anything else. I think most modern astrologers would agree that synastry/composite charts can give you more info. Or, perhaps the electional chart of the time that you began dating. I don't really understand the fear so many astrologers have in hard aspects. Without hard aspects, life would not be challenging, it would be quite boring. For example, my natal Moon-Saturn square may be a hard thing to face on a daily basis, but it is also a defining aspect, and makes me who I am. Besides, we can't control the future, and it can be dangerous to try. Here's the chart, and Neptune looks pretty dreamy in the 5th, trine Venus, sextile Pluto. The Moon certainly is beseiged, but at least she's in a strong house and her own domicile. Saturn rules the 4th/5th, Mars the 7th/2nd. The chart may just be talking about the wedding ceremony vs. the relationship between you, as the wedding was an event. Quote Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:06 pm
11 by Labalance Thanks for posting it Tanit. It's funny because there are a lot of links between the chart and my husband and my chart. The venus in the event chart is conjunct (right between) my husband's sun and moon both of which trine my sun and moon. Plus that ascendant is right on my sun. It's just that everything I read about event timing, gives an ominous interpretation. Quote Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:06 pm