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daz madrigal



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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Approximately 17.10: The shooting starts at Utøya


Could you post the link to a source for that please?

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Still looking for the precise time, Mark. A member of Astro.com quoted a timetable for events giving 17.10 for shooting 17.26 for call to Police about the shooting. I am now trying to confirm the source for this. Grrr..they dont make it easy? Mad


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Initial reports had claimed that police received the first call about shots being fired 5.02pm which meant Breivik was not arrested for an hour and a half. However, the fresh timetable claimed that the first call did not come into the local Nordre Buskerud police force until 5.27pm.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8658569/Norway-shooting-police-response-criticised.html
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Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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A DAUGHTER OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION

KEYNOTE: The prestige and conservatism of a long-maintained heritage.

An example of what occurs when the individual chooses a path which totally embodies and glorifies tradition, a path which ends in a GLORIFICATION OF THE PAST.

The will and ability to maintain a social supremacy based on thoroughly established tradition.
___*When positive, the degree is an infectious pride in leadership through which a group is able to act as a unit, and when negative, the ultimate betrayal of selfhood by a false assumption of superiority.


I think that says it all really, it neatly encapsulates the socio-cultural and political views held by the perpetrator (Sun). Far too many people take the initial symbolism too literally but in essence it simply describes someone who is a member of a small group espousing old fashioned values...the fact that the Sun is very debilitated astrologically underlines the negative symbolism here.



29 Cancer and connections with 2009 Oslo Solar Eclipse.




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Norway and the Solar Eclipse
The July 22, 2009 longest solar eclipse(29 Cancer) of the the 21st century fell on the Midheaven in Fukushima, and conjoined the Ascendant in Oslo, Norway. Saturn(-90- Venus) precisely on the eclipse IC-4th house cusp suggests hardships(Saturn) in the homeland(4th house). Clearly, this powerful eclipse is still active 2 years later.







http://stellarinsights108.blogspot.com/2011/07/norway-and-solar-eclipse.html
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Posted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First, a link to pictures and the identities of the victims at Utöya and in Oslo during the terror attacks of July 22:

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/article4187189.ece

Second, the campaign to Norwegian local elections to be held on September 12. was started today, Aug.13. 2011, at 12.00 CEST (10.00 GMT), Oslo. Asc 29LI19, MC 14LE50, Sun 20LE23, Moon 16AQ31. Emotions are still strong after the terror happenings less than a months ago. The Norwegian Labour Party, who was hit hard by these actions, asked not to be given special treatment by the other political parties during the campaign in a way that could put a lid on the democratic debate. The Labour Party has risen by 7% on the polls since July 22.

http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/politikk/article4198572.ece

The election campaign was opened to the sound of "What we need is love" performed by Heine Totland and Silje Nergaard. The Norwegain local elections will be held on September 12., 09.00-21.00 CEST.
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Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just learnt that a previous neighbour and good friend of mine lost his 16 year old daughter in the killings that took place at Utöya.

As fate would have it, it was the step-father of my two first children, being the husband of my previous spouse, who had the job of phoning the parents of victims on the island- and had to convey to my friend that his daughter has been lost.

This was very sad news, although this has been a great national tragedy and for all families involved. Sad
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2083

The manifest of the mass-killer Breivik had the title 2083. It seems unlikely that Breivik posessed such knowledge but it seems possible that this title related to the Saros series 13S (156 according to Espenack) that commenced only a few weeks earlier on July 1. 2011. This was a Friday. The terror actions in Oslo and at Utöya were also performed on a Friday. In the chart of this initiating eclipse the planet Mars is in the South and conjunct the MC of Oslo.

By examining the Saros it will be discovered how the year 2083 appears futher out into the Saros cycle. There will be an eclipse on August 13. 2083. This is also a Friday. Friday is the Day of Man. According to Christian traditions he was both created and crucified on a Friday. Although Breivik claims to be a conservative Christian and does have a record as a Freemason, as said, it would seem unlikely that he was in possession of any adept knowledge of the Saros. Most likely a coincidence or the ficticious ramblings of a madman. However, it could be a code or some attempted prediction.

I found it propper to contact the Norwegian police with this observation, but have not yet received any response - which, in all fairness, can hardly be considered a suprize. I reckon all resources have been put in on other levels of the investigation. But with the police not responding to the tips, I believe that the observation is considered of lesser importance and significance, which would mean were were free to mention it here.

The newspaper Dagbladet did report that the police said they had received tips from psychics, but had decided not to look into any such matters at this stage. As far as I can see, everyone has performed according to their duty. I do think that if a psychic or an astrologer came up with any piece of information that could be a lead, it would be their duty to report to the police and then let them decide what to do with it.

It could be that this discussion should be move to the restricted area of the forum, but I will leave that to the discrepancy of our moderator.
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Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting! The brownies are on me. Thumbs up

Yet take a look at the Saros while you're at it.
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crown Princess puts foot down on Salute

The Crown Princess Mette-Marit of Norway celebrates her 38th birthday today, Friday, Aug. 19. 2011. The national guard intended to fire a salute of 21 shots in tribute to the celebrant, but the Crown Princess has put her put down and set a stop to the salute in view of only 4 weeks having passed since the Oslo-bombing and massacre at Utöya.

This is quite thoughtful, in my opinion. Well done!

Source: VG
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2011 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Over on the English Riots thread we have been discussing the use of profections. This is a method of predictive astrology that was very popular in ancient and medieval astrology. In this system the chart is progressed or 'profected' one sign sign for every year. The original method was based on whole sign charts and was discussed by many hellenistic astrologers. In this approach to profections the chart only changed annually. However, in the renaissance approach the whole chart was effectively progressed forward gradually throughout the year. According to our member Margherita Fiorello the approach of renaissance astrologers was to focus on profecting the five 'hylegiacal places': Asc., MC, Sun, Moon, and lot/part of Fortune. However, I have used the basic idea to look at other points in the chart too.

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6294&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

I have now taken a look at the profections to the 1905 chart on July 22nd.

I have diisplayed this chart in the inner wheel and the profected chart on the outer wheel.



Profected Desc conjunct eclipse point of January 4th. Profected MC and Mercury (in radix 8th house) square radix Uranus. Profected IC square radix Uranus. Profected Mars is in the radical first house. Profected Uranus close to radix Mars. Profected Saturn opposing radix Neptune. Profected Nodal axis of the chart on same degree as radix Neptune. Profected lot of fortune near radix nodal axis. Profected Venus-Mars opposition in radix across ASC-DESC axis in radix chart. Venus trine radix Mars. Contra-antiscion of profected SN on radix Pluto. Profected Pluto antiscia radix ascendant.

Here is a bi-wheel with the solar eclipse (timed for max obscurity) in the inner wheel and the profected chart for the 1905 chart timed for the Oslo bombing on July 22nd. Apart from Profected DESC near eclipse point profected Sun Sq Mars. Profected Jupiter on Jupiter. Profected Saturn on radix Pluto.



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I also think the solar arcs to the Norway chart are quite powerful. SA Saturn + SN on radix Sun. SA DESC on radix Pluto. SA Pluto SQ radix Uranus. SA Mercury (ASC ruler + Lord 10 by WS houses and intercepted by quadrant) conj radix ASC. SA Mars Sq radix Jupiter. SA Mars trine radix Pluto. SA Sun (Lord 12) trine radix Mercury.


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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Breivik diagnosed as Paranoid Schizophrenic
- Cannot be sentenced to Prison.

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From Tuesday's Press conference and reading of the psychiatrist's report

As Skyscript members may have heard in the News headlines yesterday, Norwegian psychiatists have diagnosed Anders Bering Breivik to suffer from paranoid schizophrenia, which is recognized as the most serious diagnosis in psychiatry. "It would suprize me if Breivik knows he is ill," says top expert in psychiatry Henning Vaeröy.

This diagnosis is not unsuprizingly causing quite a discussion in the Norwegian media, but one that is both interesting and educative. According to Norwegian law, the diagnosis means Breivik is unaccountable for his actions and cannot be convicted as a criminal. It is not difficult to understand many people are strongly reacting to this conclusion, as the actions of Breivik were premeditated and planned over many years. However, for a nation that annually awards the Nobel Peace Prize and where the issue of human rights is so strong - it is important that the Norwegians follow their judicial system and set this example. It sends an important signal to other parts of the world where human rights are not exercised and practiced in the same manner.

When both the Norewgian people and spectators from abroad get more familiar with the consequences of the diagnosis and verdict, it will be seen that if Breivik were convicted for a criminal offence he would be imprisoned for the maximum sentence but then be a free man. However, with the diagnosis paranoid schizophrene he can be contained at a mental hospital for life. Here he will both receive the correct medical and psyciatric treatment - and the security is likely to be at such a high level that will be equal to imprisonment anyhow.

Breivik's own reaction is of offence by have being diagnosed as mentally insane. In fact, the diagnosis from the psychriats reduces his actions to nothing but a sick deed of no importance - and Breivik looses any feeling of significance that he thought his actions may have had.

On one level some very educated people in high positions are reacting to the psychiatrists judgement with disbelief and lack of understanding. This is interesting, too, because not many people be able to follow or comprehend with our astrological expertice either.
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope for the rights of the criminal that the diagnosis paranoid schizophrenic wasn't made just to put him behind bars for life which isn't possible through normal punishment in Norway law. Mental treatment namely is a severe punishment for someone who is actually not 'mad'. In other words, I hope for him that Breivik really is paranoid schizophrenic, or injustice is done to him and even a criminal deserves a fair trial.

Another psychiatrist might have another conclusion and since the judges aren't schooled in psychiatry they depend on the information delivered by experts. And if the psychiatrist was hired by the public prosecutor then there might be some political motivation behind the diagnosis. The defense should have their own psychiatrist as a second opinion.
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Andrew for this news, I didn't hear a word of this in any of the British media which is quite shameful when one considers its grave importance.

Eddy makes a very apposite point.
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eddy wrote:
I hope for him that Breivik really is paranoid schizophrenic, or injustice is done to him and even a criminal deserves a fair trial.

There can be no doubt that justice is being exercised in its highest sence in this case - also in regard to the graveness of misdeed commited. It is a pity that you do not have the opportunity to experience the proceedings and discussion close up. There is much sadness and grief, so many people involved and complexities to be considered. The prosecutors, defence, politicians, state and experts are all really dealing with in in a impressive and well-conducted manner.
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew Bevan wrote:
There can be no doubt that justice is being exercised in its highest sence in this case - also in regard to the graveness of this misdeed commited. It is a pity that you do not have the opportunity to experience this case close up. There is so much sadness, so many people involved and so many complexities in the case, and the prosecutors, defence, politicians, state and experts are all really dealing with in in a impressive and well-conducted manner.

Unfortunately the news in the Netherlands is limited to just one headline about Breivik's mental state. I hope that my post didn't appear as 'cold'. It's a juridical approach for which I'm trained in. I now remember that from the beginning Breivik's lawyer also said that B. was mentally ill. It now means that he can't be held responsible to the massacre. Perhaps this is more frustrating to the bereaved than the possibility of having 'only' a maximum sentence of 30 years or so. I still find it strange that after years of rational preparation of this disgusting crime he is believed to have been psychotic that day.
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