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I also think the solar arcs to the Norway chart are quite powerful. SA Saturn + SN on radix Sun. SA DESC on radix Pluto. SA Pluto SQ radix Uranus. SA Mercury (ASC ruler + Lord 10 by WS houses and intercepted by quadrant) conj radix ASC. SA Mars Sq radix Jupiter. SA Mars trine radix Pluto. SA Sun (Lord 12) trine radix Mercury.
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Breivik diagnosed as Paranoid Schizophrenic
- Cannot be sentenced to Prison.

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From Tuesday's Press conference and reading of the psychiatrist's report

As Skyscript members may have heard in the News headlines yesterday, Norwegian psychiatists have diagnosed Anders Bering Breivik to suffer from paranoid schizophrenia, which is recognized as the most serious diagnosis in psychiatry. "It would suprize me if Breivik knows he is ill," says top expert in psychiatry Henning Vaer?y.

This diagnosis is not unsuprizingly causing quite a discussion in the Norwegian media, but one that is both interesting and educative. According to Norwegian law, the diagnosis means Breivik is unaccountable for his actions and cannot be convicted as a criminal. It is not difficult to understand many people are strongly reacting to this conclusion, as the actions of Breivik were premeditated and planned over many years. However, for a nation that annually awards the Nobel Peace Prize and where the issue of human rights is so strong - it is important that the Norwegians follow their judicial system and set this example. It sends an important signal to other parts of the world where human rights are not exercised and practiced in the same manner.

When both the Norewgian people and spectators from abroad get more familiar with the consequences of the diagnosis and verdict, it will be seen that if Breivik were convicted for a criminal offence he would be imprisoned for the maximum sentence but then be a free man. However, with the diagnosis paranoid schizophrene he can be contained at a mental hospital for life. Here he will both receive the correct medical and psyciatric treatment - and the security is likely to be at such a high level that will be equal to imprisonment anyhow.

Breivik's own reaction is of offence by have being diagnosed as mentally insane. In fact, the diagnosis from the psychriats reduces his actions to nothing but a sick deed of no importance - and Breivik looses any feeling of significance that he thought his actions may have had.

On one level some very educated people in high positions are reacting to the psychiatrists judgement with disbelief and lack of understanding. This is interesting, too, because not many people be able to follow or comprehend with our astrological expertice either.
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I hope for the rights of the criminal that the diagnosis paranoid schizophrenic wasn't made just to put him behind bars for life which isn't possible through normal punishment in Norway law. Mental treatment namely is a severe punishment for someone who is actually not 'mad'. In other words, I hope for him that Breivik really is paranoid schizophrenic, or injustice is done to him and even a criminal deserves a fair trial.

Another psychiatrist might have another conclusion and since the judges aren't schooled in psychiatry they depend on the information delivered by experts. And if the psychiatrist was hired by the public prosecutor then there might be some political motivation behind the diagnosis. The defense should have their own psychiatrist as a second opinion.

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Eddy wrote:I hope for him that Breivik really is paranoid schizophrenic, or injustice is done to him and even a criminal deserves a fair trial.
There can be no doubt that justice is being exercised in its highest sence in this case - also in regard to the graveness of misdeed commited. It is a pity that you do not have the opportunity to experience the proceedings and discussion close up. There is much sadness and grief, so many people involved and complexities to be considered. The prosecutors, defence, politicians, state and experts are all really dealing with in in a impressive and well-conducted manner.
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Andrew Bevan wrote:There can be no doubt that justice is being exercised in its highest sence in this case - also in regard to the graveness of this misdeed commited. It is a pity that you do not have the opportunity to experience this case close up. There is so much sadness, so many people involved and so many complexities in the case, and the prosecutors, defence, politicians, state and experts are all really dealing with in in a impressive and well-conducted manner.
Unfortunately the news in the Netherlands is limited to just one headline about Breivik's mental state. I hope that my post didn't appear as 'cold'. It's a juridical approach for which I'm trained in. I now remember that from the beginning Breivik's lawyer also said that B. was mentally ill. It now means that he can't be held responsible to the massacre. Perhaps this is more frustrating to the bereaved than the possibility of having 'only' a maximum sentence of 30 years or so. I still find it strange that after years of rational preparation of this disgusting crime he is believed to have been psychotic that day.

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Early after Breivik was arrested there was an interview with his father who hadn't had contact with his son since he was a young lad. A psychologist has recently added he had recommended that Breivik was moved to a foster home at the age of 4 year without his advice being followed. Such a recommendation was quite unusual/infrequent and a serious matter at the time.., at any time really, although psychologists and authorities seem more ready to act on behalf of the rights, security and needs of the child now. I think.

A lot of people in Norway feel that Breivik should be held responsible and sentenced for his actions. The law that an insane person should not be held responsible for his/her actions has been practiced in Norway since the middle ages. The Norwegians seem quite amid that both law and the rights of Breivik should be respected, but probably that the law should at least be reviewed in terms of the gravity of the terrorist attack and manslaughter at Ut?ya.
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Mars is now in 8? Virgo. I compared this with Breivik?s natal chart and it?s conjunct close to his natal Moon-Saturn conjunction (However no 100% certainty about the Moon's position because of unknown birthtime).

In a quick view I don?t see relations of the time of the bombs in Oslo and the actual transits (apart from retrograde Jupiter still hanging around the Descendant). What was the time(period) of the shooting massacre?

Looking at the 1905 Norway chart on p. 3 of this thread, Mars is right on the Ascendant.

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Mars goes retrograde end of January 2012 and will be near 8? Virgo again mid-March. After going direct half-April he will be there again mid-May. Perhaps we should keep an eye on this planet at those periods. Maybe the psychiatry discussion will take several months. The criminal trial itself may be more Jupiter or Saturn related.

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Case preparations continue

The preparations in the case against Anders Behring Breivik continue in Norway with frequent TV-debates and discussions in press. One of the items that came up in yesterday's edition of 'NRK Urix' was the role played of the psychiatrists in this case and that psychiatry is 'not an exact science'. Also in the program was emphasised the importance of trying to form a picture of who Anders Behring Brevik really is....'

I guess you all know where I'm heading. It seems obvious that if methods applied are not considered an exact science and the priority is to form a picture of the assasin's personality, then astrological analysis could also offer valuable input to anyone doing research on the case and wanting to form a personality assessment. There should be nothing secondary regarding our traditions and competance within this field. But there is neccessity that we as astrologers approach our own acadamic know-how with due soberness.
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this was a very disturbing event.. i read the thread though as i was curious to see if i could learn anything.. i liked the comment from margherita about the luminaries with the malefics.. i had thought that virgo rising would fit with the chart.. it doesn't appear a definite time has come out for breivik - 7pm area, but perhaps aquarius rising -8am is better... either way, the wrong malefic will be rising by sect depending on whether you want to go with a night or day chart...

i note mark pointed out some of the solar arc data that seemed quite relevant to norways 1905 chart... don't know if he mentioned sa pluto exact square radix uranus though... sa moon 45 uranus as well - 6'past exact.. there is a close moon/pluto 45 in norways 1905 chart.. sa ascendant opp radix pluto 22' short of exact.. sa mars trine radix pluto 11' short of exact.. the ascendant to mars sextile is very close in the norway chart as well.. what to make of sa ascending node opposite radix sun 4' short of exact? interesting going back to the natal chart how nodal axis has saturn in pisces conjunct descending node..

profections directed to this date highlight saturn opposite radix neptune which in turn is 45 to radix jupiter.. p saturn thus 135 jupiter 30' past, while p saturn to neptune is 27' short. p saturn is about midway the 2.. jupiter or neptune is the 4th and 7th house ruler using whole sign and of course saturn is in pisces in the radix chart... i haven't looked at converse data..

not sure if anyone mentioned the total lunar eclipse just prior to the event on june 1 2011 10:13:34pm oslo time with the ascendant at 21 sag 08 4' off exact to natal pluto in norway chart... sun/moon close to the horizon line..

isaac starkman wanted to push the 1905 chart time back a minute or so.. i would move it forward about the same amount as i think it lines up slightly better..

would be nice to see a birth chart for breivik and one hopes this info will be released for astrologers to take a closer look...