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ehabatari



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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 12:31 pm    Post subject: Help is needed : United Kingdom of Jordan Reply with quote

Hello,

I need your serious support to analysis “United Kingdom of Jordan – Chart”, I need mundane analysis for August 2018. I can see the bad news but I need professional astrologists input in this forum. Natal chart is attached.



Thanks in advance,
Ehab Atari


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Posted: Wed May 23, 2018 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i posted a chart for jordan and it's king a month or two ago on this thread below..

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9942

i have used a noon time, as opposed to midnight which is what you are using..

what is the astro basis for your concern?

i see it is jordans birthday in 2 days - may 25th - the basis for both of our charts...
nic campion gives a noon time though as opposed to midnight.. he states, a series of ceremonies in the morning of 25th may in the capital, amman, as the approx starting point for the chart...

thanks
james
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ehabatari



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Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 4:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

james_m wrote:
i posted a chart for jordan and it's king a month or two ago on this thread below..

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9942

i have used a noon time, as opposed to midnight which is what you are using..

what is the astro basis for your concern?

i see it is jordans birthday in 2 days - may 25th - the basis for both of our charts...
nic campion gives a noon time though as opposed to midnight.. he states, a series of ceremonies in the morning of 25th may in the capital, amman, as the approx starting point for the chart...

thanks
james


Thanks James. My concerns that in August 2018 we will couple of squares aspects that might bring some troubles and incidents. If you try to transit the chart until the middle of August 2018 you will figure out.

I need to know what's the type of incidents or trouble that we might face?

Thanks in advance,
Ehab Atari
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks ehab,

do you live in jordan?

the chart is set for midnight which is not an accurate chart to begin with.. noon would be a better starting point.

the outstanding transit that i would be watching is the saturn station at about 2 degrees capricorn - close to opposite the natal venus in jordans chart.. this transit station happens very close to the station of mars at about 28 capricorn around august 31st... after this - the transit of neptune in the vicinity of the natal moon-uranus square in this time frame as well - adds to this.

the transit of pluto has been in a long running opposition to saturn and continues for the next year.. i suspect this is the connection with the war in syria and the tricky role that jordan has to play as a smaller country beholden to the usa, israel and saudi arabia - all countries that have sought to destroy syria.. the base the usa set up just inside syria next to jordans border - al tanf - has to be a concern for jordan..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Tanf_(US_base)

you will have to copy and paste all the data in that url to get it to take you to the actual article on the al tanf base, otherwise it takes you to the al waleed border crossing wikipedia page - which also has a link inside it to the page on the al tanf usa base inside syria..


unfortunately the timing for anything here is challenged by a lack of clarity on the angles of the chart given the ambiguity of the actual time to use for the chart..

what are your concerns for jordan at this point? thanks..
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ehabatari



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Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, James.

I've fixed the chart. Now I've tried to run a transit for the natal chart and in August 2018 I got some aspects that can tell that there will be an bad news with victims and it might be in stores or well-known place.

I will appreciate if you can run the transit for August 2018 and let me know what do you think?




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Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi ehab,

but you haven't answered my questions!!!

do you live in jordan?

why would these particular transits, or this particular grand square make a direct connection with jordans chart according to you? perhaps you are thinking the mercury station on aug 19th at 11 leo is some sort of catalyst for a terrorist type event, given it's proximity to the mars/pluto conjunction in the jordan chart? i see jupiter transit is at 15 scorpio in this time frame - squared onto the mars as well...

what is the astro rationale for your concern?

2 questions ehab - i am curious if you will be kind enough to answer them!
cheers james
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ehabatari



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Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I live in Jordan. I am Jordanian as well.

For the 2nd question, I will write it in a separate reply.

My question: What does make difference for you if I am living or Jordan or not? Does that change the analysis or do you have other concerns?
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Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi ehab,

i am curious and i feel a chart is better understood by someone living in the location, then by someone removed.. the chart is one thing.. knowledge of the country and all that goes with it - is very helpful for understanding the dynamics better...

you could work for some intel group for all i know.. and of course one could lie to me too, but i was curious.. now that you have told me you live in jordan, you will be able to offer some non astrological insights to me and others here which could be very helpful in understanding how jordan sits within the fragile dynamic that is going on at present in the middle east.. thanks!
james
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Posted: Sat May 26, 2018 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

note - i keep on adding comments to my post here for anyone that sees it.. my latest addition is today - 8pmish? see bottom of post for additions..


these two articles relate directly to the ongoing challenges for jordan that appear to be coming up in the near future...

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2018/05/httpswwwreuterscomarticleus-mideast-crisis-syria-usaus-warns-syria-of-firm-measures-for-ceasefire-violations-iduskcn1.html

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2018/05/syria-us-moves-to-protect-al-qaeda-and-isis-in-daraa.html

here is a specific comment from the last thread which applies to the topic of jordan..

"When the southern Syrian pocket collapses, ISIS will only have one venue of operations left in the central ME - Jordan. Jordan is NOT stable. Its' supposed 'stability' is a very thin veneer over a boiling cauldron of Muslim Brotherhood/Salafi sentiment especially among the poor of the refugee camps. If ISIS is forced to come home to Jordan roost, it will - as I said a couple years ago, take over the nest.

Cleansing south Syria will lead to the de-stabilization of Jordan. While I pity the fate that awaits individual Jordanians - it is a kind of Karma for all the shit their government facilitated in Syria.

Given NATO's transfer of much of Incirlik's logistical and strategic functions to the US airbase in N. Jordan (Al Mafraq), Idoubt the US will allow their loyal ally to be threatened - hence the stalemate.

The one solution is for ISIS to be allowed to roam the desert east of Sweida & south of the Petra-Deir Ezzour highway in Syria (out to Al Tanf). "

and finally a 3rd source basically saying much the same - usa supports israel, while both support al qaeda / isis, on the basis of protectiing israel.. meanwhile - jordan - sits uncomfortably very close by...

https://ejmagnier.com/2018/05/27/the-us-will-not-allow-the-elimination-of-al-qaeda-and-isis-in-southern-syria-the-solution-syrian-resistance/

monday - may 28th "BEIRUT, LEBANON (5:20 P.M.) – A senior official from the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan told Reuters on Monday that the their country, the U.S., and Russia agreed to preserve the de-escalation zone in southern Syria.

Jordan said on Monday it was discussing developments in southern Syria with Washington and Moscow and that all three parties agreed on the need to preserve a “de-escalation” zone they brokered last year and which has reduced violence.

The truce — the first U.S. peacekeeping effort in the war under Donald Trump’s presidency — has reduced violence in a particularly sensitive region that includes Syrian territory bordering Israel.

The Syrian military command has yet to respond to this report. "

my understanding is that this de-escalation zone agreement ended a few months ago... not sure that it has been renewed...
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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i see the jordan prime minister has resigned today... things seem to be ramping up in jordan..

https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2018/6/4/jordan-prime-minister-resigns-amid-anti-austerity-protests

also - an informative article on where jordan presently finds itself... all in all, it would seem the potential for greater instability in jordan is very pronounced..

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/king-abdullah-of-jordan-balancing-on-an-ever-tighter-tightrope/

solar arc ascendant is very close to 45 degrees from natal neptune.. sa sun is very close to the midpoint of mars/pluto.. in fact, the 12th house mars/pluto conjunction looks challenging with mars ruling the 3rd/8th houses in the natal chart.. jordan is about 3 years away from the exact conjunction of sa sun to mars...
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ehabatari



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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking about August 2018 and expected bad news, my prediction was correct :

We had two attached by terror attack in August 2018 :

check below news :

https://www.timesofisrael.com/bodies-of-3-suspected-terrorists-found-after-jordan-shootout/

https://orientxxi.info/magazine/jordan-a-mysterious-attack-that-sheds-light-on-the-flaws-in-power,2684
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:21 pm    Post subject: Jordan Reply with quote

I was in Jordan in 2008. The hotel that I stayed in in AMman, the capital, had just been renovated after a terrorist attack. The hotel had a wedding reception and only locals were there and a bomb exploded and people were killed. Poor Jordan is in a difficult place, and Jordan does have my sympathy. AMY
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ehab Atari

thanks for your post today... happy new year to you and amy..

congratulations on your advance prediction... i was baffled beforehand and am still baffled on how you arrived at this position based only off the astro... there are transits of t squares in the heavens quite frequently..

to help others here to understand how you arrived at this particular time frame - mid august 2018, could you tell us what the astro rationale for this prediction?

i can see in retrospect, but i wouldn't have been motivated to make a prediction in advance based on the astrology i see here....

also - the 2 events happened on aug 10th and late on aug 11th - as opposed to the chart where you posted for aug 16th with moon in scorpio.. today coincidentally the moon is in scorpio...

i go back to a post i made to you May 24, 2018 6:22 pm

james_m wrote:
hi ehab,

do you live in jordan?

why would these particular transits, or this particular grand square make a direct connection with jordans chart according to you? perhaps you are thinking the mercury station on aug 19th at 11 leo is some sort of catalyst for a terrorist type event, given it's proximity to the mars/pluto conjunction in the jordan chart? i see jupiter transit is at 15 scorpio in this time frame - squared onto the mars as well...

what is the astro rationale for your concern?

2 questions ehab - i am curious if you will be kind enough to answer them!
cheers james


you replied on may 24th

ehabatari wrote:
Yes, I live in Jordan. I am Jordanian as well.

For the 2nd question, I will write it in a separate reply.


Ehab - you never gave a reply to my 2nd question. of course i am still very curious if you would be kind enough to answer..

as i have said above - i can see the astro rationale now, but would have been hard pressed to make a prediction like this in advance of what you were able to.. and outside of any insider info you might have had on these events in advance thru working with the intel services of jordan, i am mystified as to how you arrived at your prediction... please give us the astro insights you were working with for our educational benefit.. thanks!
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ehabatari



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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello James,

The technique I following (Keep in mind, that I've started learning mundane astrology on 2017) is to build a geocentric chart (transit and progression with different degrees) for that country for one or two years (I've shared that already in this thread)

Then I look into all hard aspect and build a chart for the event for these hard aspects, then I do my analysis for that chart.

Hope this clarified what I am doing,

Thanks,
Ehab Atari

james_m wrote:
Ehab Atari

thanks for your post today... happy new year to you and amy..

congratulations on your advance prediction... i was baffled beforehand and am still baffled on how you arrived at this position based only off the astro... there are transits of t squares in the heavens quite frequently..

to help others here to understand how you arrived at this particular time frame - mid august 2018, could you tell us what the astro rationale for this prediction?

i can see in retrospect, but i wouldn't have been motivated to make a prediction in advance based on the astrology i see here....

also - the 2 events happened on aug 10th and late on aug 11th - as opposed to the chart where you posted for aug 16th with moon in scorpio.. today coincidentally the moon is in scorpio...

i go back to a post i made to you May 24, 2018 6:22 pm

james_m wrote:
hi ehab,

do you live in jordan?

why would these particular transits, or this particular grand square make a direct connection with jordans chart according to you? perhaps you are thinking the mercury station on aug 19th at 11 leo is some sort of catalyst for a terrorist type event, given it's proximity to the mars/pluto conjunction in the jordan chart? i see jupiter transit is at 15 scorpio in this time frame - squared onto the mars as well...

what is the astro rationale for your concern?

2 questions ehab - i am curious if you will be kind enough to answer them!
cheers james


you replied on may 24th

ehabatari wrote:
Yes, I live in Jordan. I am Jordanian as well.

For the 2nd question, I will write it in a separate reply.


Ehab - you never gave a reply to my 2nd question. of course i am still very curious if you would be kind enough to answer..

as i have said above - i can see the astro rationale now, but would have been hard pressed to make a prediction like this in advance of what you were able to.. and outside of any insider info you might have had on these events in advance thru working with the intel services of jordan, i am mystified as to how you arrived at your prediction... please give us the astro insights you were working with for our educational benefit.. thanks!
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Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi Ehab,

thanks for getting back to me on this.. so, as i understand it, you are using the chart for jordan that you shared in the first post, as your root chart and looking at the using transits and progressions to this chart... if so, i understand this approach very well, although aside from the grand square that you shared in the chart for aug 16th, were there any progressions or anything else that you based your prediction on?

as i understand it, t squares and hard aspects happen quite frequently and for me would not be enough of a basis to make a prediction on a terrorist event 3 or 4 months in advance... this is why i continue to ask if you have any more specific astrology on this to add here, as i am not seeing it just based on the transits that were in effect at the time!

now, it is true, if we use the 12 noon chart for jordan - may 25th 1946, we can see the mars/pluto conjunction in the 12th sign to the rising sign virgo... this is a planetary combo that i associate with potential violence.. the transiting mercury square jupiter was right in this vicinity of the mars/pluto at the time of this event.. in fact, the event was close to the new moon in leo was which also a partial solar eclipse...

i was considering the nodal axis transiting at 5 leo/aquarius with the transit of mars retro at zero aquarius and as it turned out, the solar eclipse chart for the capital of jordan does highlight the jupiter/mercury square very clearly as shown in the chart below.. i believed wrongly that this wasn't enough to trigger a terrorist action, but i was wrong on that..



i regret not looking more closely and giving your request greater consideration... if one factors in the solar eclipse chart highlighting the mars/pluto conjunction in the 12th house area, i can see more clearly how this could play out... the timing for it though is tricky and as you noted in your chart for aug 16th - just when it might happen is a challenge in itself as well... for me, the mars transit retro on the south node, coinciding with all this, seems to have been the critical combination and threshold for this event astrologically...

ehad - i would be curious if you have the actual timing of the terrorist events that happened in august 2018? all i could find were general posts where the days were vaguely mentioned.. do you happen to know what time these events took place specifically? i would be curious to look at that.. thanks.. james

just looking at this after i posted it - the new moon at 18 leo is very close to the mars at 16, and in fact 16 is the midpoint to the new moon with mercury at 14... also, on the thread i shared in my first post on this thread, i put up a chart of the solar return to the national chart for jordan and noted how it was going to be a challenging year for jordan as these terrorist events seem to collaborate.. check that thread out if you are interested in seeing the solar return chart for 2018.. the solar return for 2019 looks generally more favourabe then the one i shared on that thread for 2018...

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