Does he deceive me? 1 by Saraia Hello, A person who I used to trust him, I asked him for a service, and he promised to do it, I paid for the service, but he started ignoring my messages and avoiding contact me. I asked " Does he deceive me?" I am not sure I should look at the 7th house or the 6th house to represent him? Any thought please? Quote Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:09 am
2 by EleanorLouise I would see him as 7th house..since he would be a known enemy and if he doesn't do the work he would be a thief. He is in your face and he's not in any detriment of yours. You are in his depositor's detriment. But more likely I think you have mix feelings about him. His depositor is in your triplicity and term. So I don't see someone who has negative feelings toward you. There is opposition between both main rulers and depositors. Sun is moving toward opposition to saturn. Venus is moving toward opposition to mars. I don't know the planetary hour. I would have to calculate that for your area. My opinion is no with this chart. It does show him having your money saturn in 8th, but it is retrograde...which debilitates him, but i think it could show him returning. There is even a possibly he will just refund you. It does look to me that he may be out of town though. This is just my opinion/quick glance and take it with a grain of salt. I'm still a student in horary. Let the cookie crumble how it will crumble. Quote Mon Jun 18, 2018 2:42 am
3 by Tanit3333 I am not sure I should look at the 7th house or the 6th house to represent him? If you assigned him as the 6th house then it would be the same ruler as the first house. He isn't really a servant and to me the 6th only seems relevant when asking about employees (when you are a boss) or if you have tenants or a caretaker. I would assign him the 7th house. Generally speaking, Lilly would say that when someone is a malefic or under the influence of malefics, they are suspect regarding honor, although an undignified planet in general can show being unreliable or troublesome. Each planet has its own signification for why they might behave badly and Mars might suggest anger and selfishness. What Lilly says about Mars ill-dignified: Then he is a prattler without modesty or honesty, a lover of slaughter and quarrels, murder, theivery, a promoter of sedition, frays, and commotions, and highway-thief, as wavering as the wind, a traitor, of turbulent spirit, perjurer, obscene, rash, inhumane, neither fearing God or caring for man, unthankful, treacherous, oppressors, ravenous, cheater, furious, violent Lilly can sound a bit over-dramatic but in general any one of these meanings can apply to a situation, and not necessarily all of them. There is an opposition again and the ascendant is conjunct Algol, much like the querent being conjunct Algol in the last chart and opposite the 7th ruler. Are you a man and a woman? Is it possible he feels rejected or manipulated? The fact that he is disposited by Saturn in the 8th seems like he is going through a rough time internally or even physically. In the last chart his ruler was Mars, which was further disposited by Saturn, so it seems to show some emphasis on problems for them, either internally or physically. Their 2nd could suggest extreme financial issues possibly or feeling friendless since the 2nd house rules allies and Saturn there could make someone feel like they have none. There is even a possibly he will just refund you. The 8th ruler is retrograde and the 2nd ruler is applying to it, so that definitely could be the case. Quote Mon Jun 18, 2018 5:40 am
4 by Saraia EleanorLouise wrote:I would see him as 7th house..since he would be a known enemy and if he doesn't do the work he would be a thief. He is in your face and he's not in any detriment of yours. You are in his depositor's detriment. But more likely I think you have mix feelings about him. His depositor is in your triplicity and term. So I don't see someone who has negative feelings toward you. There is opposition between both main rulers and depositors. Sun is moving toward opposition to saturn. Venus is moving toward opposition to mars. I don't know the planetary hour. I would have to calculate that for your area. My opinion is no with this chart. It does show him having your money saturn in 8th, but it is retrograde...which debilitates him, but i think it could show him returning. There is even a possibly he will just refund you. It does look to me that he may be out of town though. This is just my opinion/quick glance and take it with a grain of salt. I'm still a student in horary. Hello, Yes you are right i have mixed feelings toward him, I used to be consider him as a close and best friend but when that happen, I kind of hating him. I hope to hear anything about him. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts Quote Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:09 am
5 by Saraia Tanit3333 wrote:I am not sure I should look at the 7th house or the 6th house to represent him? If you assigned him as the 6th house then it would be the same ruler as the first house. He isn't really a servant and to me the 6th only seems relevant when asking about employees (when you are a boss) or if you have tenants or a caretaker. I would assign him the 7th house. Generally speaking, Lilly would say that when someone is a malefic or under the influence of malefics, they are suspect regarding honor, although an undignified planet in general can show being unreliable or troublesome. Each planet has its own signification for why they might behave badly and Mars might suggest anger and selfishness. What Lilly says about Mars ill-dignified: Then he is a prattler without modesty or honesty, a lover of slaughter and quarrels, murder, theivery, a promoter of sedition, frays, and commotions, and highway-thief, as wavering as the wind, a traitor, of turbulent spirit, perjurer, obscene, rash, inhumane, neither fearing God or caring for man, unthankful, treacherous, oppressors, ravenous, cheater, furious, violent Lilly can sound a bit over-dramatic but in general any one of these meanings can apply to a situation, and not necessarily all of them. There is an opposition again and the ascendant is conjunct Algol, much like the querent being conjunct Algol in the last chart and opposite the 7th ruler. Are you a man and a woman? Is it possible he feels rejected or manipulated? The fact that he is disposited by Saturn in the 8th seems like he is going through a rough time internally or even physically. In the last chart his ruler was Mars, which was further disposited by Saturn, so it seems to show some emphasis on problems for them, either internally or physically. Their 2nd could suggest extreme financial issues possibly or feeling friendless since the 2nd house rules allies and Saturn there could make someone feel like they have none. There is even a possibly he will just refund you. The 8th ruler is retrograde and the 2nd ruler is applying to it, so that definitely could be the case. Hello, Yeah we are a woman and a man, The thing I sm so surprised about is him being a Mars, I know Mars is a fire planet, its natural makes him has immediate actions, not being silent. His silence drives me crazy I tried to stop texting him, and today I sent him saying hello, he saw my messages and still doesn’t reply. I hope things go well, and at least as you said he refund me. Thank you so much Quote Wed Jun 20, 2018 1:18 am