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Jupiterrising



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Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2019 3:53 pm    Post subject: A different question Reply with quote

Someone spoke to me anonymously on Instagram.
I asked the question: Is she who I think she is?

By "Is she who I think she is" I meant Is this person someone I am suspecting.

So I am assuming, I just have to look at the aspects between my significator, the Moon and 7th house significator to check if it is who I am suspecting. Because the person I am suspecting would be the 7th if she had not spoken anonymously.

But if she is not who I am suspecting then she is still 7th(a stranger). So how can I confirm who this person is?
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Tanit3333



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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Personally, I would look for what is occurring with my own significators. If you are correct you would expect the chart to emphasize correctness, such as your significator with a benefic or in nice aspect with the sun. If aspecting malefic influences it would suggest error. Also, the 7th house person should be described physically by significators and should help determine if it was that person.
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Jupiterrising



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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Tanit.
How would you read this chart? My significator although a malefic is very strong in dignity. There is a grand trine between me, the moon and the lady I spoke to. I don't know what Venus in Sag looks like, so I can't verify whether she is the one. If Venus is supposed to describe her then Mars should describe me. So how would you describe me?

Venus is benefic herself and in addition to that, she is conjunct Jupiter another benefic. So I am wrong? She is not who I think she is?

If she is not who I think she is, then she must be someone else with a motive. she can't be 'innocent'. I don't know the benefic rule doesn't seem to work here.

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Jupiterrising



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Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I will post a chart for the time I discussed things with her. Maybe that will give an idea? I had an hour long discussion with her, but I will try to pick the time stamp of a conversation where she came across as shady.

So I checked my DM time stamps and took the time stamp where I told her something and she became very defensive. That's the first time I felt she was probably the woman I am suspecting. Until then I did not suspect at all. But I coudn't understand why she would pretend to be someone else to dish out details about herself, so I thought she someone who knows something and is trying to give me some information. It's only after I ended the conversation I asked the horary question and saved the time.

I am Saturn here in my own 12th house. The Moon is in Leo in the 7th house in applying grand trine to Mars, Venus and Jupiter.
She is the Sun in detriment in Aquarius in my 12th house.
The Sun and Saturn don't apply, but her 3rd house ruler Venus has just separated from a trine to Mars and now applies to Jupiter.
Sun has just seprated from a square to Uranus in the previous sign. Something happened that triggered her to contact me.
But I still cannot tell whether it is the one I am suspecting. So I am stuck again.

If we go by description of the planets then she is Sun a masculine planet and I am Saturn another masculine planet.


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Jupiterrising



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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

UPDATE:

I know who she is now. Should I update or does anyone want to try reading the charts?
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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 1:45 pm    Post subject: Re: A different question Reply with quote

Jupiterrising wrote:
Someone spoke to me anonymously on Instagram.
I asked the question: Is she who I think she is?

By "Is she who I think she is" I meant Is this person someone I am suspecting.

So I am assuming, I just have to look at the aspects between my significator, the Moon and 7th house significator to check if it is who I am suspecting. Because the person I am suspecting would be the 7th if she had not spoken anonymously.

But if she is not who I am suspecting then she is still 7th(a stranger). So how can I confirm who this person is?

Not wanting to judge your question, Jupiterrising, I would still like to to make a remark as to the problem.

In my opinion you would need to describe the known person astrologically and then to examine, if there is a kind of identity or strong connection between the seventh and its lord and that first, known person and her description, or not.

The most easiest way would be given if you were in a relationship with the first person. If a friend, for example, you could examine whether your conversation was with your friend (lord 11) in reality or with your anonymous internet partner only.
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Jupiterrising



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Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2019 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Johannes.

A friend would not try to talk to me anonymously. The one I am suspecting is just an acquaintance.

If the description of the one I am suspecting is needed, then, here you go:
She is of average height. Average looks. Very nice long hair. Very stylish. Obsessed with makeup.
I can describe her personality better:
She is full of herself and very arrogant. She loves attention. Also very manipulative and controlling.
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am super busy with grad school exams but I would interpret Venus conjunct Jupiter in the 9th as an attractive, youthful (at least in energy level) woman with chestnut hair. She is oriental the Sun and in a fire sign in a day chart, showing she is a direct, outspoken female. The 9th house emphasis could suggest a foreigner, professor, or religious person, etc. She seems friendly to you. I would think in connection to the 5th and 9th it could relate to a fun learning, travel or religious activity.

Venus can love attention, though.
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Jupiterrising



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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Tanit,

I think Jupiter is a person here. Not saying she is not attractive, just saying that Jupiter could be another person here.
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi JupiterRising from the chart I would say she was the same person you had in mind.
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Jupiterrising



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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Serene.

Can you tell what is your method of delineation?
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Tanit3333



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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is something about Neptune in the 12th in aspect with her significator that is odd and her being with Jupiter in this way could suggest she is disguising herself as whatever Jupiter represents, I suppose. Normally I would think disguise would be suggested in other ways, such as combustion suggesting concealment or being in the 12th house. The nature of Venus is generally not super difficult so I am not sure if her intentions are entirely negative, especially with the grand trine. It doesn't seem to fit a manipulative and bad person. I didn't look at any secondary charts, though. Saturn is separating from Mars and is afflictive though and could represent the person you believe she is. To me the emphasis of Saturn on an angle in a separating square suggests some error on the part of the querent. Saturn with Pluto can be manipulative and controlling. Saturn is also rather plain in general and not usually attractive. As I have said before, it is often a very thin and bony person or bones are prominent in some way, especially the face. Saturn doesn't like attention, though. It is a solitary planet.
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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi JupiterRising

I think first of all that this question, the way it is asked makes it difficult to answer. An example of a better question could have been "Did she contact me on instagram today?" But i believe there must be some reason why this question was born instead of some other. May be the planetary allignments in the skies were more suited to answer the question when framed in the manner you framed it. Or may be the universe wanted to give you a concealed answer?


Describing the 7th house lord is a great approach but also difficult so i did not go with that.
I took the lord of the 12th house of hiding (sig Jupiter) to represent this person who you came in touch with through Instagram and the lord of the 7th (sig Venus) for the person you already had in mind.Venus and Jupiter are CONJUNCT with a tight orb ,thus so close together that we can say they have "BECOME ONE" with each other, implying that these two entities are ONE and the SAME!! And this on the cusp of turned 3rd house of communication (instagram). I think Saturn too represents the person you have in mind. This zero degree separating square seems important and perhaps shows that this same person had contacted you. the moon also separates from Jupiter (L12) by a zero deree orb, again suggesting that we are looking at the same person here. You did not describe/define clearly your relation with this person you had in mind but it could have helped to read this chart more clearly. Like for example if you suspect your partner as having an affair with this person (turned 5th from 7th) , then it can make sense .

I didnt write all this in my last post as i was wanting to ask you to give further details of your relationship as in light of that newer findings may come into view.
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Jupiterrising



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Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tanit,

At the time I asked the question I wasn't really sure why she would contact me and I wasn't even sure it was her, but I asked the horary anyways.
I didn't say she had any negative intentions, I just said she had her own motives. Nothing against me, but something to benefit her, although at one point I thought she was threatening me, but I dismissed it thinking that I might be reading too much into what she said.
My description of her could be biased though.

Serene,

Very interesting delineation. I never thought of taking the 12th house. So do you take 12th for any person who chooses to be anonymous? For example if I had not asked whether this person is the one I am thinking she is but instead asked something like "Did this person tell me the truth" or something like that, would you just look at the 12th?

This is the background:
Early January I tweeted something about a very powerful businessman. I know him, not personally but I have met him in events etc. I can't even say he is part of my social circle because he is not. His circle is very different from mine. He is rich and influential.
I know things about him which most people don't know. I had no intentions of exposing him or attacking him. I just tweeted something without @ ing him and I didn't even mention his name in my tweet. Somehow that tweet got a lot of attention.
Like most rich businessmen, the man has a girlfriend who he doesn't acknowledge as girlfriend or wife or anything publicly. She is not an escort. He is not in a committed relationship with any other woman right now, so he is not cheating on any woman with this woman. So I guess we can call her girlfriend.

I suspected that this woman spoke to me anonymously because my tweet was about all the skeletons in his closet. At first I didn't think it was her. I thought it is someone else from his inner circle sharing some more information with me. She did say a few more things than I knew, and when she realized that I didn't know all that, she stopped discussing. So I think she thought I knew all the things she was discussing. But I didn't know. I continued chatting, then suddenly it seemed like she took things very personally and became very defensive. Later I felt like she was threatening me but I dismissed that thought thinking that I must be reading too much into what she is saying.
My second chart that I posted was for the time stamp where she took something personally and I suspected she must be the same woman. But I dismissed that thought and continued chatting. Even when I asked the horary, I wasn't really suspecting, it's only 4-5 days later that I became really suspicious.

So basically I have no relationship with her. She could have spoken to me on twitter, but she spoke to me on Instagram.
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Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2019 6:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Jupiter Rising

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If I had not asked whether this person is the one I am thinking she is but instead asked something like "Did this person tell me the truth" or something like that, would you just look at the 12th?


No i wouldnt have looked at the 12th house then but only worked with the 7th. Like i said i feel the way you worded this query makes it hard to read it .

Thanks for sharing the story. Very intersting and different case. I will think of it some more and see if anything else can be found out in the chart. So if i understood it right finally you found out that it was her who contacted you on instagram right?
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