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Will she be able to walk Ozzie?
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Part of Fortune



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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 3:00 am    Post subject: Will she be able to walk Ozzie? Reply with quote

The result will be known in the beginning of next month.

The background:

One of my neighbors is going to have a cataract operation on the 1st of April. She already had a surgery on one eye and this is her second surgery (on the other eye). She told me about how she felt ill after her last eye surgery. According to her after she came home from the surgery, she took her dog out for a walk, but she realized that was a mistake because she had a reaction to anesthesia while she was walking Ozzie, and she almost fell on the ground. She was very concerned about her last experience and is worried about her dog this time. I volunteered to walk Ozzie for a few days.

I think on the day of the surgery, she should tell the anesthesiologist what happened last time so this time they will able to adjust the amount… but I haven’t run into her lately and keep forgetting to send her an email message. But I would think the anesthesiologist will ask about her last experience. Anyway, I was wondering how she will be this time, so I erected a horary chart and I am amazed that her significator Mercury Rx (returning eye surgery) is conjunct Neptune (anesthesia).

She is 3rd house Virgo at very late degree. Her significator Mercury Rx is placed in radix 8th house of surgery as well as turned 6th house of her pet, Ozzie. Unfortunately, she is not only retrograde but both detriment and fall and very tight conjunction with powerful Neptune. However, Mercury will no longer be retrograde and picks up speed from being stationary on the day of her surgery. It’s curious that my significator (the Sun) is already separated from Ozzie (Jupiter). I wonder whether I will have the pleasure of walking Ozzie, or will someone else (such as his mommy, for example) be walking Ozzie? At the time I made the chart, the Moon is in via combusta and mutual application with Mercury. Uh.. what could this mean?

I will report the outcome later.


Data: 23 March 2019 @3:04pm
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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Part of Fortune,

Interesting question. So when you ask "Will she be able to walk Ozzie?" , what's the time frame you have in mind? And after her last surgery for how many days couldn't she take him for a walk?
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Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2019 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serene wrote:
Hi Part of Fortune,

Interesting question. So when you ask "Will she be able to walk Ozzie?" , what's the time frame you have in mind? And after her last surgery for how many days couldn't she take him for a walk?


Hi Serene,

Thanks for your inquiry.

I might not be able to post my entire explanation because not all I wrote is posted when I tried to preview (there's something wrong with this site) anyway, I will hit "Submit" and hopefully it will work.

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I was thinking within the same day of her surgery. That's after she comes home, she takes a rest for two to three hours and walks Ozzie (approximately five to six hours after the surgery). I don't know what time her surgery appointment is but what I understand is the whole surgical procedure will take about two plus hours. One hour of preparation, about 15 minutes of actual surgery and (it depends on how well patient recovers from the anesthesia) a requirement to stay at least one hour in the hospital. Thereafter, they will release a patient. Her hospital is walking distance from her house (15 to 30 min).


Originally, I offered to come to the hospital after the surgery and escort her back home but for this she found someone else. My task is to come and take Ozzie to walk in the evening.

I really don't know how long it took for her to recover last time. I would assume within 24 hours. After our first arrangement, sometimes later she asked me if perhaps I could take Ozzie on the following day as well (that's April 2nd). I said yes, of course, but I really think she was very cautious and slightly paranoid about her upcoming anesthesia experience. I hope she will tell her last experience to the new anesthesiologist.
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi POF thanks for the details.
It seems like there is a TOL from Mercury to Saturn (radical 6th house lord). So perhaps she will be able to walk him?
Since the question is worded with the dog's name and not like "will she be able to walk her dog?" , perhaps radical 6th house can be used for Ozzie? And none of your sigs are in an applying aspect with that of the dog. This makes me infer like you that you won't be the one taking him out.
But I'm not sure of my answer , keep us posted whatever happens.
Very Happy
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Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In this case, I think seeing an event chart would be helpful. Do you know the time of her procedure?

The physician is represented as 7th from the 1st, which would be 7th from the 3rd, Jupiter, a qualified and good doctor. The procedure is the 10th ruler, with Sirius on the cusp (a protective influence) but Moon in fall applying to Mercury retro, in bad shape essentially and in the 8th, which could show that the procedure will be problematic in spite of a good doctor, possibly due to an underlying health issue of the neighbor. You mentioned being ill before due to anesthesia but I normally think of the Moon in Scorpio as dealing with the healing process, such as an infection or things related to Mars: fever, inflammation, high blood pressure, wounds, bleeding, etc. Moon in Scorpio is associated with surgery, though, but it is disposited by angular detrimented Mars conjunct Algol, in a day chart where it would increase inflammation and pain. It seems to me like there might be some complications with the surgery. I would check the time of surgery and see if it looks difficult. Luckily, Mars will be out of Taurus by then. The elderly are obviously at greater risks for complications and I don't know if this is pointing to anesthesia so much as something else. Mars influence could also show an increase in blood pressure, for example. I don't think it is recommended to be physically active the day of surgery, especially in the elderly, so walking her dog the same day is not a good idea and she should hire a dog sitter if this is a problem.

Turned charts are always a headache and she didn't ask the question.
What is the physical description of this woman? Normally planets in Pisces emphasize extra weight and obviously a person in that sign will have a certain energy associated with them that should make sense. Saturn seems significant with Mercury and the nodes, and nodes can be associated with blindness. I wonder if she would be Saturn rather than Mercury but the Moon with Mercury is likely indicating the repeat surgery process. You know her better than us so making sure her significator makes sense would be something you would know best. No matter how you look at the chart, Mars is standing out to me and I don't like it. Even the sun (both lights) are disposited by Mars. It could be that she will be accident prone and should take better care of herself after surgery and do nothing (no walking around).
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tanit3333 wrote:
In this case, I think seeing an event chart would be helpful. Do you know the time of her procedure?


Turned charts are always a headache and she didn't ask the question.
What is the physical description of this woman?



Serene and Tanit,


Thank you very much for your replies. I will contact her tonight or tomorrow (I've just read Tanit’s message) and ask her about the appointment time.

As to her physical description and her personality (I have known her for six years), they are as follows:

She is very active and takes Pilate. She seems to walk a lot. No fat at all. As a matter a fact she highly recommended me to take Pilate with her at the gym we both go to. So one day I was watching the class from a distance to see whether to take it or not. She actually looks like a young lady of early 20's (she has good proportions); there were a lot of young ladies in her class but she was the best looking girl from a distance (I took some ballet and love to watch ballet so it was a pleasure to discover her physical beauty).

I assume she is in the mid 70s and her hair is somewhere between auburn to burgundy. Perhaps close to her natural color? (if the current color is dyed). Her brain is not dull (at least from my point of view) because whenever we run into each other we do joke around. I suspect she is very interested in spiritual subjects (she has some books about Chinese zodiacs).
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow!! An old lady in her 70s who looks like a twenty something!! Lol Gobsmacked Laughing
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Her personality descriptions do seem to fit the sign Pisces and the influence of Mercury might be why she is more youthful and lean so thanks for clarifying. The applying aspect of Moon to Mercury especially made me think of more phlegmatic influences, since Moon is also extra phlegmatic here and its influence on Mercury (Mercury being a planet that is heavily influenced by those it aspects) would seem to emphasize that but phlegmatic people are not always lacking energy and are overweight (it just makes it more likely), plus she did aspect Saturn and has some influence of that planet.
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good points by Tanit.
Practically speaking she should just be resting.
I am thinking that if the dog is indeed Jupiter (which it can well be) then it doesn't look like she will be walking him. Moreover I am not convinced myself that a TOL would work in this situation.
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Posted: Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Again, thanks very much you two!

I left a phone message and sent her an email asking about surgery appointment time. If I'm lucky, I will get the answer before the event (she's rather unpredictable) otherwise I will try to post the event chart after her surgery.

Stay tuned.
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Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Her appointment is 8 am on April 1, 2019. The first hour is preparation and then about 15 min. of surgery time, starting at approximately 9 am. I erected horary for 9 am.

Algol at the ascendant (radix 1st house) and Mars close by. According to rulership, the Sun is for woman's left eye and the Moon for the right eye, so I asked her which side will be operated on but no reply yet (well, time will tell).

I wonder if my neighbor is Cancer in this event chart? If so, she is out of sect Moon (ruled by Jupiter) but Sirius at the ascendant and decreasing in the light. She will be exactly squaring to Mars in a few minutes. But the Moon in this chart could be just indicating action only and my neighbor could be exalted Venus, represented by Taurus ascendant. I read some rules about do’s and don’ts of surgery. One rule is not to have surgery during a full Moon. Also transiting moon be away from area where patient is planning to have a surgery, so it is good that my neighbor has managed to avoid both.

The Sun (conjunct PoF) has just entered in radix 12th (turned 10th) and is disposed by Mars. Does Mars here represent both her doctor and surgeon? (or is the planet just indicating the surgery itself). Could it be Saturn (turned 7th) is her eye doctor and Mars could be her eye surgeon? Perhaps Jupiter (turned 8th) could be describing her surgery... a lot of speculation at the moment.


Data: Mon. April 1, 2019 @9:00 am
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Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2019 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am not sure how others feel about this event chart but I am not liking how it is aligning with the horary. If it were my friend, I would be compelled to see if I could talk them into pushing the date somehow. It may sound nuts but I feel like it is better safe than sorry. I hope whatever happens that she will be Ok and if there are complications that they are minor. I especially do not like how tight that Moon-Mars square is and Algol on the ascendant. Surgeries, probably especially in the morning, might start earlier or later than expected so hopefully that is the case.
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Tanit,

I appreciate very much for your concern and opinions. Thank you.

We are not close enough to call us friends and I feel uncomfortable to talk her into changing her scheduled appointment, unfortunately. I was very alarmed when I first saw Algol at the ascendant and the Moon/Mars aspect. But I reevaluated the chart, and now I feel rather positive about the whole situation. I’m trying to see it in perspective and realized this is a minor surgery (I know that the sight issue is involved and that is a serious matter) but in terms of surgeries it is not a big event such as an open-heart surgery. What I understand is it only takes a few minutes (compared to say 4 hours for other surgeries) and positive results are usually high (90% - I got so worried I searched the internet this afternoon).

I got the reply from my neighbor… it is her left eye. The Sun rules both cataract and woman’s left eye. I have two readings from this event chart:

1). If I assigned my neighbor as Venus (ascendant, radix 1st) she is also ruling the radix 6th of her health. Her doctor is Mars and it is placed in her 1st house. Sirius conjunct her 3rd of day to day activity, and it is ruled by the Moon. It is not surprising to see the Moon about to perfect Mars by square at 9:00 am. After all, this is a surgery event chart. The Sun (exalted) and PoF are disposed by Mars (no longer in Taurus) and dignified Jupiter at the cusp of 8th (Jupiter has power over surgery house); I think it’s very hopeful.

Now, I’m going to do a lot of turning below (sorry for the complication):

In the earlier chart (erected on March 23rd) she is represented by retrograde Mercury conjunct Neptune. Both planets are aspecting Jupiter which is placed in turned 3rd of my neighbor’s communication house (natural house of Mercury). Jupiter rules her health (turned 6th) as well as surgery house (radix 8th) and that’s where you find her significator, Mercury conjunct powerful Neptune. On this event chart, Mercury is no longer retrograde but having Algol at the ascendant … I’m thinking my neighbor is confused and overreacting about her eye surgery.


2). I erected the event chart – I was concerned about my neighbor’s eye surgery (will this show up in the chart?). If I assigned my neighbor as the Moon (Sirius at ascendant, radix 3rd), Mercury rules her turned 3rd of communication (radix 5th, Regulus conjunct) and her turned 9th is ruled by Jupiter (person who receives her communication). Jupiter is conjunct her turned 6th and radix 8th. My significator Venus is in Pisces. I am placed in her turned 9th house (natural house of Jupiter) and separated from Mercury (who was retrograde recently) and had partile conjunction with Neptune. I’m the recipient of her communication which had brought my sympathy (and some confusion as well). Seeing my neighbor worrying about her upcoming surgery (anesthesia, etc.) and about her dog, I became quite concerned about her surgery (Mars is in my first house). Having Algol at my ascendant, I overreacted, hence erecting horary and event chart.

Saturn in Capricorn is representing her doctor as well as her surgeon who will have good control over the situation. The Sun who represents both her cataract and left eye has just entered her turned 10th of treatment house and conjunct PoF. At 9:00 a.m., my neighbor, the Moon (disposed by Saturn) is approaching surgery (Mars).
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, hopefully there won't be an issue and any difficulty in the chart relates to the subject matter. You obviously don't have her natal chart to get an idea on whether this is a difficult time. People can have complications even from minor surgery but it is rare. I do think regarding your question though, no, she should not be walking her dog... questions like this seems kind of pointless to me though. It is as if you are asking out of observation. This woman also has no idea you are speculating about her health in a public forum. I know I may get flack for saying this but I do think not all questions should be asked and if someone needs practice, there are hundreds if not thousands of sample charts on the internet.
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Posted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tanit3333 wrote:
Yes, hopefully there won't be an issue and any difficulty in the chart relates to the subject matter. You obviously don't have her natal chart to get an idea on whether this is a difficult time. People can have complications even from minor surgery but it is rare. I do think regarding your question though, no, she should not be walking her dog... questions like this seems kind of pointless to me though. It is as if you are asking out of observation. This woman also has no idea you are speculating about her health in a public forum. I know I may get flack for saying this but I do think not all questions should be asked and if someone needs practice, there are hundreds if not thousands of sample charts on the internet.


The reason I erected the original chart was that I was a bit worried how to handle her dog. I was curious and wanted to see how Ozzie would receive me. The dog is rather a newcomer to our neighborhood (we have so many dogs in our neighborhood) as he was rescued from SPCA, and my neighbor was telling me that she is training him (this was early this year). Ozzie, of course will be leashed but if anything happens during the dog walk (not all dogs are leashed here) I’m afraid that Ozzie is too big for me to carry (I’m not sure he will let me, even if I try). I am accustomed to pick up my dog to prevent incidents when I see an aggressive dog is approaching mine. What I understood at the time was that her post-operation problem was due to anesthesia and I thought this problem could be fixed if she tells her history to the new anesthesiologist.

According to the original chart, Ozzie is out of sect Jupiter in domicile. My reading of the chart shows there is a possibility of someone else walking Ozzie (for instance his owner), hence I asked the forum and Serene confirmed my suspicion. But one thing led to another, and now we are talking about my neighbor’s surgery event chart. She said she will call me later today and according to the schedule, her operation is over by now… I hope her eye operation went well.

I am certainly not going to post her natal chart here by any means.
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