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Does Mars conjunct Venus ALWAYS mean adultery in the natal?

 
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StellarTiggy



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Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:57 am    Post subject: Does Mars conjunct Venus ALWAYS mean adultery in the natal? Reply with quote

Hi All,

I know I'm oversimplifying just one aspect, but I've got to say I don't know if I've ever personally seen/met anyone who has the Venus-Mars conjunction natally and has not at least once committed adultery. That being said, I'd like your opinions and experiences with this aspect and its modifications that may produce different results. However, I'm interested in real experiences rather than theories based only on texts.

Some modifications of this aspect include dignity (i.e. if Venus is in Scorpio it will be debilitated, if Mars is in Aries then Venus in Aries will be debilitated), the house holding this conjunction, and also which planets are co-present. For example, if Jupiter is conjunct the Venus-Mars conjunction, does Jupiter's presence expand those adulterous experiences of prevent them based on morale? i.e. imagine Jupiter in Pisces conj Venus in Pisc conj Mars in Pisces, or Jupiter in Sagittarius conjunct Venus-Mars.

Thank you!
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Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

no.........
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Posted: Sun Feb 02, 2020 2:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This seems a bit much. I do think that the combination of Venus-Mar-Jupiter is common in the charts of people engaged with multiple sex partners. This might be anything from a married mom engaged in a consensual open marriage to Jeffrey Epstein. Venus and Mars are the sexy planets, and Jupiter whispers that if a little is good, a lot is better. You'd have to look at additional facts to see what sort of human being you're dealing with.

Further, sometimes people really keep a lid on their Mars-Venus-Jupiter sexual proclivities, but the chart has to express itself somehow. I've seen the monogamous Mars-Venus-Jupiter wife married to the cheating husband, for example. He's carrying the planetary signature for her.

p. s. I'm personally in a long-term monogamous marriage without Venus-Mars contacts, but lest you think I'm merely expressing "theory," I read a fair number of charts for people as well as the occasional celebrity chart.
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Tanit3333



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Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the conjunction in Aries and consider myself asexual and never cheated on anyone. I do not have a crazy sex drive and jump in the sack with random people. Mine also aspects Jupiter in Leo, so it didn't magnify it (although I have Moon/Neptune in Sag trine to it so perhaps some better understanding and empathy that would make it less likely to cheat). I am very independent and found relationships smothering and tiring, among other issues (also painful/consuming when it was real love - Venus opp Pluto). I did used to attempt dating and a previous boyfriend (heavy Leo planets in the 7th) spent a weekend with a mutual female friend and I am pretty sure cheated on me. He did not have the conjunction but he had Saturn in Leo in the 7th lording his chart and was his own worst enemy. I didn't really care in the end either way and never asked him about it. I broke up with him not long afterwards for various other reasons but it didn't help and he wanted to marry me. Although I don't like cheating and if I were in a relationship it would be the furthest thing from my mind (since if you want to sleep with someone else that is a conversation two adults can work out), I also don't think it is always the end of the world like some other people do and sometimes it can even be worked out with effort but it takes maturity on both sides. I can think of two friends going through a divorce where their husbands (neither have the conjunction) cheated and they were pretty clueless about their partners having a wandering eye. They found out months later. I guess I am the type of person who is highly intuitive and am also open to a dialogue with another person when something isn't working and I want to understand what is going on. I don't think you possess a partner. I do think if someone wants to be with other people they should ask themselves why they are staying in their current relationship, though. I don't always understand the mentality behind cheating because it seems very juvenile and absurd, if not maybe someone starved for some sort of attention, but usually the relationship is already not working. I don't think a particular placement will always show this and it is fairly common for someone to have cheated at one point in their life, often regretfully too. People make mistakes and many act on their emotions in the moment. It could even be that someone acts out of character while in a relationship - something maybe seen in composite or synastry.

I do think my conjunction gives me a less conventional view of sex and I am fairly androgenous and I think maybe understand some men better than most women. I remember one of the friends whose husband cheated once mentioning how she found some porn he had hidden from her. I told her that was normal and porn is something a lot of people enjoy, but she thought it was like he was cheating on her. In that sense I guess I am different than some other people. I found it more odd that he was hiding porn from her than him actually watching porn. I told her years before the relationship ended in cheating that their communications between one another was awful and she was also not affectionate when it was something he craved while he was someone who criticized constantly when she needed affirmation. That was the problem, not a planetary conjunction, nor even cheating really. Cheating was just the conclusion to a very long problem.

This link states the following:
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/love.html

"Sexual 'abnormalities' - including promiscuity - are associated in general with afflictions between Venus, Mars and Saturn....Looking at the aspects there was a high number of Mars/Venus/Saturn contacts - in fact 40% of the charts had both Mars/Saturn and Venus/Saturn closely aspected. Only three charts contained no aspects between the three planets." In this case, my best friend whose husband cheated had Venus square Mars conjunct Saturn in Virgo and Venus was retrograde in Gemini. This was T square Neptune and the article mentions Neptune afflictions adding to the problem with Venus, as well as Mars in Virgo having various troubles in relationships. Her own chart also had the same Mars/Saturn in Virgo in the 7th house.
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Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've met Russian girl who was addicted to big penis. She is american lawyer, beside of Mercury at MC in Gemini she has Venus -Chiron conjunction in Aries in 9th (Sun also in 9th - place of joy). So, probably that Venus detrimental in sign and conjuncture with Chiron caused that addiction.
Though, with Virgo AC and strong Mercury she supposed to be shy and smart...
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Yuriy



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Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe Adolf Hitler had Venus-Mars conjunction in 7th with Taurus Sun.
So, he was talented orator and terrible dictator, don't know about adultery...
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Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yuriy wrote:
I believe Adolf Hitler had Venus-Mars conjunction in 7th with Taurus Sun.
So, he was talented orator and terrible dictator, don't know about adultery...


Saturn was aspecting Hitler's Venus. His Saturn was 13 degrees Leo 27 minutes, antiscion 16 degrees Taurus 33 minutes, which is exactly conjunct his Venus. https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Hitler,_Adolf

(His Phaethon is 3 degrees Taurus and his IsisTranspluto is 4 degrees Cancer 50 minutes. Not aspecting his Venus).
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Tanit3333



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Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Though, with Virgo AC and strong Mercury she supposed to be shy and smart...


Madonna has Virgo rising with Mercury in Virgo on her ascendant. She is far from shy. This is why you have to look at the entire chart. Mercury in Gemini isn't shy either, especially in the 10th. It is an indication of a highly communicative person and also someone who likely uses Mercury in their work - such as a public speaker or writer.

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Venus -Chiron conjunction in Aries in 9th (Sun also in 9th - place of joy


Is her Venus combust or under the beams as well? A fire day chart Venus combust is very heated (not unlike my own), making it different. In general, Venus afflictions can show unconventional choices related to love. That can be cheating but it can also indicate lack of sex or possibly bisexuality or being gay, just because heterosexuality is more common. An afflicted Venus, especially in a woman, also shows breaking norms when it comes to social choices and gender roles. If her Venus is oriental she might be more forceful like myself, for example, and maybe even a feminist. People with unconventional Venuses likely accept unconventional ideas about love better than others as well. I know I do. Most of my friends are either gay or bisexual.

Interesting that we are talking about this as Venus is in Aries on Valentine's Day.
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Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where is my previous reply?
By the way here is her chart

https://uniim1.shutterfly.com/ng/services/mediarender/THISLIFE/021042486143/media/125027188698/medium/1581862184/enhance


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Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

She doesn't mind publishing her chart
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Tanit3333



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Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Where is my previous reply?


I see two replies above mine. I just logged in late this morning so I don't know.

She has Venus square both Mars and Saturn, which are conjunct, and again matches what the author in the Skyscript article said about promiscuous people. Additionally, all three are ill dignified. I agree though that Chiron tends to be very significant in conjunction (and is squaring Mars/Saturn) and might be highlighting some early issues (such as abuse) that have factored into her love life.

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This link states the following:
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/love.html

"Sexual 'abnormalities' - including promiscuity - are associated in general with afflictions between Venus, Mars and Saturn....Looking at the aspects there was a high number of Mars/Venus/Saturn contacts - in fact 40% of the charts had both Mars/Saturn and Venus/Saturn closely aspected. Only three charts contained no aspects between the three planets."


This woman also has Sun conjunct Jupiter opp Uranus, which I would associate with as a very iconoclastic person, if not downright alienating to others at times, although I doubt she lacks a sense of humor. Again, she does have Venus oriental, in a fire sign in a day chart (above the earth as well), which is very much out of character and would more likely show a woman who does not tend follow any social conventions and not just romantic ones. She might be socially coarse or awkward in general or even offensive.

Unrelated, but I like to look at the nodes. She also has Sun conjunct the SN (and Jupiter) and often the person achieves much and has a job title like you mentioned (lawyer) where their title is important to them and identifies them in some way, but in order for spiritual growth it is said that they need to separate themselves from that sense of identity or knowing their true self is not attached to their achievements. Often they begin to feel discontent or empty with their achievements and are never really satisfied if they don't and can be their own worst critic (even more so with Mars conjunct Saturn). This could be in part why they also might be promiscuous - to try time make this emptiness go away for a time. With Jupiter/SN often wealth can come easier but again the person has to detach themselves from it for growth or might feel better to share wealth rather than to take it for themselves.
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Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, she's some corporation's lawyer and does some "law science" related research and writing. And she's quite decent person in regards that she was moderator at some russian speaking forum and quite fair and has friendly approach.... Until it comes to sexual subjects and insisting in virtual sex games with many guys with detailed description and emphasizing on extremely large penis...
I also remember that movie director David Lynch has Moon at MC and always worked with groups of actors and movie staff, but he was often quite cruel with people while creating great movies.
I was suspecting some child abuse too since she told strange things about her father.
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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was suspecting some child abuse too since she told strange things about her father.


This is in part why I say people are not just promiscuous or deviant out of nowhere. Deviance from the norm is usually shown in a chart but it is also influenced by the person's upbringing/enviromment/ and also maybe even DNA, etc. I feel like this is a psychological issue more so than anything else sometimes and when someone cheats on a spouse it isn't just a matter of cheating, it is a problem that is not being sorted out.

As far as the father goes, that was the first thing I think of when Saturn is involved as well. I am sorry if you friend had a difficult past. If her different sexual habits make her happy, then good for her.
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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm really glad this thread took off! Also nice to find out Tanit has a Ven-Mar conj in Aries. That explains her spicy personality Thumbs up Leery Leery

It's an interesting point Tanit raised with Saturn in the 7th house. Most of the time I associate Saturn in the 7th with divorce or multiple marriages. This is unlike Venus-Uranus because Saturn in the 7th can give really loooong marriages (20+ years) and then divorce. But do you find a lot of people with that placement cheating? I used to know someone with Saturn in the 7th in Taurus whose ex-wife had a natal Venus-Saturn conjunction in Taurus. Not sure about her Ascendant or what caused their divorce, but I found it interesting how someone with Saturn in the 7th ended up with someone who has that placement. It makes me wonder if it's the Venus-Saturn conj person who is subconsciously attracted to a cold spouse (i.e. Saturn cooling marriage in the 7th), or a person who is subconsciously attracted to a spouse who is incapable of love (Venus-Saturn conj).
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Posted: Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But do you find a lot of people with that placement cheating? I


Someone would have to look at the stats on that to answer properly, perhaps. Lilly calls Mars ill dignified the cheater but Saturn ill is still a liar. As the article points out, Mars is often present with Saturn and that was true in my friend's situation and I normally associate Mars with divorce more so than Saturn because Mars traditionally is similar to Uranus and leads to cutting things short and sudden surprises. Saturn could indicate many years of trouble before an ending though. As I said, cheating often doesn't happen out of nowhere and it seems almost like a cry for help to end a bad relationship sometimes. Both can cause pain and with Saturn I think of prolonged pain whereas Mars is more acute.

Jennifer Garner has Saturn lording the 7th with Venus, Mars and Saturn conjunct in the 12th and opposite Neptune. She didn't cheat but was cheated on by an alcoholic husband who caused her a great deal of pain and she loved him many years: https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Garner,_Jennifer So, you kind of have to be careful in that respect. This happened to her, she did not do it to someone else (same with my best friend).

Jessica Biel's husband Justin Timberlake is said to be a cheater too (speculatation) and her chart does seem to maybe support that, as another example I have looked at before out of curiosity (Mars/Saturn conjunct Square Venus, also Neptune aspecting Mars/Saturn and Moon opp Neptune from the 7th). Her husband has Saturn lording the 7th and Venus/Mars/Saturn/Neptune all aspecting but not in hard aspect. He has been cheated on himself though and him, Jessica (and Britney Spears) are Venus-Pluto squares. I often associate Venus-Pluto squares with a fear of a partner cheating, oddly. Perhaps this fear could create a subconscious drive to cheat themselves. People cheat for different reasons. Venus-Pluto might cheat as a preemptive strike whereas Mars/Saturn could be a cold disregard for the other person's feelings, I wonder.

https://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Biel,_Jessica

Saturn lording the 7th or in it is associated with difficult relationships (supposedly especially before the Saturn return but I never saw much relevance to that). If Saturn is dignified it might be a better energy to deal with, such as just showing delay, few relationships, long lasting ones, and/or an age gap or describing a partner as Saturnine. In the cases that stand out to me, they involve bad placements. In the case of my friend's situation, again, her husband had Saturn conjunct Mars lording his 7th and she had the conjunction in her 7th, both square Neptune, which I do think makes it worse. Both were peregrine and are malefics combining in energy. She has described him as a liar and cold in the end but he did not present himself that way in the beginning. My first astrologer also told me that men with the malefics in hard aspect to Neptune are more likely to have a perverse type of mind but may even be in denial of it, which leads to dysfunctional expression, such as cheating (or other things that are hurtful to others). If you Google celebrity males who have cheated, it is hard to find any that do not have this (also Moon-Neptune hard aspects for some reason). I am not sure it works as well for women.
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