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james_m



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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:21 pm    Post subject: signing into skyscript Reply with quote

any chance the website problems will get addressed in the future??

if i want to edit my most recent post, i am unable to... i get locked out immediately and when i sign back in, i get locked out from editing my post... it is a bit bizarre to say the least.. but i can start a new thread, or reply to myself, lol..
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:01 pm    Post subject: Re: signing into skyscript Reply with quote

james_m wrote:
any chance the website problems will get addressed in the future??

if i want to edit my most recent post, i am unable to... i get locked out immediately and when i sign back in, i get locked out from editing my post... it is a bit bizarre to say the least.. but i can start a new thread, or reply to myself, lol..
thanks
james


Hi james, did you try to login on another computer and edit your older post(s)?

I just tried to edit my older post and it seemed to work fine - so I guess that there might be some "cache/cookie" issue (there might be some older user login data stored on your computer and they just stopped working because of "temporary lifespan").

If you find that it works on another computer - let me know PM and I will help to you to clear your cache Smile
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2020 7:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Petr9 for offering your assistance! Smile

I wonder if, besides James, others have had similar issues recently?
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Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael Sternbach wrote:
Thanks Petr9 for offering your assistance! Smile

I wonder if, besides James, others have had similar issues recently?


Here is step by step tutorial how to clear cookies for any particular website in Firefox Mozilla.
Might be worthy to try if someone has problems with editing own posts.

(The tutorial is similar also for other browsers like Chrome or Internet Explorer - I can find the exact steps if needed Smile)

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https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/clear-cookies-and-site-data-firefox

Clear cookies for any website


To delete cookies for any single website:

1. Click the menu button Menu and select Options.

2. Select the Privacy & Security panel and go to the Cookies and Site Data section.

3. Click the Manage Data… button. The Manage Cookies and Site Data dialog will appear.

4. In the Search websites field, type the name of the site whose cookies you want to remove. Items that match your search will be displayed.

- To remove all cookies and storage data for the website, click Remove All Shown.
- To remove selected items, select an entry and click Remove Selected.

5. Click Save Changes.

6. In the Removing Cookies and Site Data confirmation dialog that opens, click OK.

7. Close the about:preferences page.
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Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2020 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi petr9,

thanks for your input on this.... what happens is i am logged in and after i make the post and go explore on skyscript anything else, when i go back - within a minute - i am logged out.. i am running brave browser on ubuntu platform.... it doesn't happen all the time, but most all of the time... as i understand it, it has to do with skycript webstie more then what i am running.. this never used to happen.... thanks again - james
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Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2020 9:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi James

I don't think anything has changed with Skyscript to account for the problem. In short because the server and code that Skyscript run is very old and would be a massive headache to update anything on it.

I second Petr's suggestion though.
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks paul,

although nothing might have changed on skyscripts end, something has changed with something and aside from some of the certificates needing to be updated at skyscript - this is why it says the site is ''Not secure" there are some other issues that really suggest someone needs to have a closer look at the set up as it applies now... thanks for your feedback...
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

had to sign in every time to post this..

james_m wrote:
note to paul and moderators - signing in again less then 2 minutes later from my post to paul... clearly there is something wrong here...

thanks krewster,

harmonics.. okay... got it... as for calling them all triangles, i don't get that part... using the Sun-Merc-Jup (29 chart) - it is not a triangle in the natal chart and it is not a triangle in the 29th harmonic chart, but perhaps you are using this term triangle very loosely... cheers james..
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

james_m wrote:
thanks paul,

although nothing might have changed on skyscripts end, something has changed with something and aside from some of the certificates needing to be updated at skyscript - this is why it says the site is ''Not secure" there are some other issues that really suggest someone needs to have a closer look at the set up as it applies now... thanks for your feedback...
james


Ye, I suspect that browsers have gotten more strict over time.
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i believe updating the cert is a real easy thing.... my own website had the same issue... but it sounds like no one is doing anything in terms of managing the website..
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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

James and Paul,

I would be all for updating the forum - and not only in regards to potential log-in issues. Modern forum software allows cool things like direct embedding of images (a number of my earlier posts have become more or less useless because the server that once hosted my images went down!) and, hey, even videos!

I think Skyscript would regain more of the attention it IMO deserves, if we could implement such modern features.

Of course I understand that many of us are traditionalists and have a somewhat critical agtitude toward modernity. However, that doesn't mean we have to continue using the same software as the Forum Romanum did, forever does it? Confused

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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

michael,

just updating the certificate so that the site doesn't come up with the ''not secure'' designation one gets would improve skyscript immensely... i know of one poster who no longer posts here because of this... and it is an easy fix as i said, as my site said the same..

here is some useful info for someone who knows how to change this at skyscript..

Not secure
The site isn't using a private connection. Someone might be able to see or change the information you send or get through this site.

On some sites, you can visit a more secure version of the page:

Select the address bar.
Delete http://, and enter https:// instead.
If that doesn't work, contact the site owner to ask that they secure the site and your data with HTTPS. ""

my friend changed my own site from http to https.. it is an easy fix as i understand it..

as i understand it some browsers will boycott any site that is ''not secure''.. so browsers and how people set the options is also a factor...
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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael Sternbach wrote:

I would be all for updating the forum - and not only in regards to potential log-in issues. Modern forum software allows cool things like direct embedding of images (a number of my earlier posts have become more or less useless because the server that once hosted my images went down!) and, hey, even videos!


Although great ideas, this is a non-trivial operation. The code that skyscript runs on is an older version of PHP and translations to newer versions of a coding language often means that necessary functions and operations become deprecated - that is, no longer work. Additionally some newer server configurations only support newer versions of PHP.

This means to update the server stuff might mean updating PHP and that means that, realistically, many things will break. The scope of that breakage is difficult to ascertain as there are thousands of lines of code of PHP.

Another approach, a preferred one in my opinion, would be to move to a new server with new code, fully accepting that Skyscript as it stands now will not work. What does that mean for, not just the forum, but the rest of the site? Realistically it's possible that some pages won't work and others will, or, that none of the site works. This would be very difficult to guess or ascertain. In order to account for it you have to basically recreate the site and all of the files which make their way into that site. At last count there are over two thousand files which account for the site, not all of them are 'content' some of them are configuration files and 'code' files which allow for the rest of the site to run. This is not an atypical set up.

So, let's imagine we move everything to a new server and expect it all to break. What's next? Ideally we would at the very least want the forum to stay. Here we run into an additional problem. Deb made the decision when building the site to allow for 'custom' modifications to the codebase - that is, manual alterations of the 'out of the box' code that was used. Those decisions are not documented anywhere.

So let's say we want the forum content, but acknowledge that some features may not be there. We could export the database which drives the content, but then we would need to find a way to manually 'link' up the new server's database to the old one - the easiest way to do this would be to write a series of database related code (likely in SQL or something similar), which would convert the database export into a format that the new server would recognise - in other words translate the old into the new.

Without knowing what the new looks like, that's a difficult project to size and scope. This is doubly so because, currently, I have not fully examined and documented the full database structure as it currently stands. There are a couple of dozen tables, and I'm not entirely clear what they're all used for - some of them have effect only for the administration panel to block and ban people for example.

So, whilst it's a laudable, and obvious, goal to update the site, as soon as we start thinking about it we start quickly running into problems. Just to contextualise this, the 'admin' team of skyscript currently consists of me, and someone who does 'caretaking' on the server. I'm a web developer, so my skillset is well suited to managing and resolving the problem, but I work full time and see astrological clients part time. My free time after those commitments are also taken up with doing a part-time Master's degree course on top of working full time.
At the moment I am not sure how much work it would be to make this change, and what we don't want to do is start the process and be unable to finish it. We also do not have a testing environment to begin making a copy of the kind of changes we'd like to see - I'd have to do it on my own machine, and make sure that nothing links to the live server.

It's worth pointing out, because I know people sometimes think otherwise, that being a moderator or being an admin is a labour of love only - there is no payment and the site does not make profit.

So, in short, I would love to make a whole load of changes to the site. At the same time, people talk about just closing the forum or archiving it. I don't want to put in that work (which could take over a year) only for it to go to waste.

Now, if I can work on this it would realistically be starting at some point in one year from now - that is when I should be finishing my MA, and realistically I do not have time in my life to dedicate to both.

But, my previous degree, and MSc Computer Science, involved working on astrological software to calculate charts with over a dozen house systems and two sidereal ayanamshas to a degree of accuracy of within 1º (I did not use astrodienst, but programmed the celestial motion without APIs such as that). But the point is that if we were to do a rewrite, I would want to include an additional featureset - the ability to post a number of charts alongside every post, one in which the planets, points, house systems and zodiac could be dynamically changed. So the poster might post a horary chart in Tropical and using Regiomontanus, and you, as a user, might choose to change the house system to Placidus or Whole and then hide the outer planets and add the Lot of Fortune etc. - whilst able to 'reset' back to what the original poster selected.

So, I'm writing all this to hopefully contextualise the discussion and raise awareness of the kind of problems that one would face in updating the site. I do, however, really want to make that happen. I just want to be realistic about the ability to do it and the amount of work it might take.

Some of the other smaller problems might be achievable without such a drastic change. I'm currently in the process of completing some research into house systems and the choices that people make when choosing one, or the concepts they employ when thinking about them. I expect that to be finished by the end of August at which point I will try to prioritise any 'cleanup' tasks for skyscript.

I know that it may seem like the moderators or admin (i.e., me) don't care about the site or are just too lazy to do the simple things it takes to improve it, but hopefully some of this demonstrates that it's really a much more complex problem than it might seem at first.

Right now my main concern and priority is just to keep the site running.
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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seeing all the complexities and problems of making changes in Skyscript, I'm all for keeping the site as is. For one thing, those of us with older operating systems means that the Skyscript site is accessed and running without problems. Many older sites are still running well even if they are outdated by today's standards. Perhaps James' problems are related to his unique computer operating system setup.

I'm using Windows XP and Win 7 with no problems. I especially like that the printing option is fast and efficient. It's true, however, that we all lost illustrated charts and images when image sites shut down.
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Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2020 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks paul! i get it!! cheers james
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