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borealis



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Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 12:24 am    Post subject: Please Help find Nikita Reply with quote

I would appreciate any help at all:)

My beloved Nikita is gone. A 12 year old alaskan malamut/ timber wolf is more a part of my family that anything. She is now missing and I have accepted a pressumption of death but would really like to find her body to give myself closure and show her respect. I am not sure what indicators to use? As missing object explain, indicator may be Mars for dogs, or cusp of 8th house? But would dog be a missing object? Very confused about indicators to use?

I live on farm land with a lot of forest areas and my search has now been exhausted by pouring rain. Can anyone help send me in right direction?

Time I noticed her missing was: December 21, 7:37 am Langley, BC (Same coordinates as Vancouver BC)

Horary was used: December 24, 12:53 pm, Vancouver BC

My birth Data is September 27, 1977, 9:10 am Kirkland Lake Ontario


Thank you so much all for any effort at all! Much love and merry christmas
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yuzuru



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Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 3:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dogs are ruled by the 6th house of little animals
28 aries rising, it may be already too late to do anything.
querent afflicted in the first, moon in the 6th (thinking about the dog)
moon, sun and mercury are all cadents or in the 8th, so the dog is not near your home, or is not in the places you would expect him to be.

Is nikita alive ?
Ruler of radical 8th is jupiter, turned 8th ruler is mars and venus (mainly venus cause mars is querent) sun is app afflicted malefic mars, but mars receives sun by exaltation and by trine.... good sign
sun is in the turned 4th, bad sign. but is going to trine mars before it aspects jupiter. good
mercury in the 8th, exile, bad sign. sextile partile neptune (confusion, dissolution) sextile app moon, trine sepp saturn, the moon translates the light from saturn to mercury.

I rather make a mistake by the optimism and hope that the sum will add to nikita going home... I would die if any of my dogs got lost.... :-(


How long ? I would guesstimate:
optimist: about 6 days, pessimistic 6 weeks
Hope nikita comes home safe
Yuzuru
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borealis



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Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 7:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks..I was looking for that; ruler of 6th.

I do not believe she is alive, I just need to find her body. Its for some reason really important and just don;t know where to go anymore.
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Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I looked at a pet horary very recently. (see cat thread below). So the principles are still quite fresh in my mind.

But just on basic principles, I am troubled mainly by two factors in this chart:

1) The very late ascendant. I feel it's too late for you to do anything.

2) Your dog's significator is Mercury. Mercury is right in the middle of the 8th House.

The only encouraging sign that leaps out at me is the very close approaching sextile of Moon to pet's significator, Mercury, indicating that something might come to light very soon, but I would be surprised if it's enough to actually bring your dog back.

A friend of mine lost her cat recently, she is distraught; I can certainly relate to how you are feeling at the moment. Hopefully despite this chart and what I have said, something comes to light Smile
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borealis



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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you very much for your sympathy, I much appreciate. I have come to terms with the fact that she is gone as in passed. Not only do I see it in her chart but also know her and it is her time.

I am still concerned about finding her body though. If anything just to bring closure and bury her properly. I would also really like her tags that I made special.

With Mercury in Saggitarius, should I be searching in Sag areas, to the SW as indicated by mercury?
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borealis



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Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 6:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Querent: Mars in Taurus detriment but angular in H1, square Saturn, fortuna, Opposite Jupiter

-Moon not Dignified in Libra H6 Sextile Saturn and Mercury. This sextile with mercury may show sign of recovery but only if mercury is being used as the signifyer. I am using the regiomontanus system and in that case, the 6th house cusp is at 29 degree Leo giving Sun as signifyer.
-Sun and Asc are trine 6th house cusp. This could be positive but positive enough?

-Both moon and 6th ruler (sun) are cadent.
-South Node in 6th house
-Fortuna disposed by Saturn indicates damage
-Ruler of 6th Sun not dignified and deposited by Saturn
-Sun is in 9th indicates a long distance travel? South, South, West

Well, I really don;t see any hope in recovery at all here?? What worries me is that we just moved from a far South South West..could she have gone back there??
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borealis



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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 5:51 pm    Post subject: She's back. Reply with quote

I just wanted to give an amazing happy update on this thread. I am sure that this chart can offer much for education. Yesterday I recieved a phone call. A man named steve had a dog he believed was mine.

She was gone a total of 8 days. 4 days from horary to recovery. She was fed and taken care of well. Kept in a sheet metal/roofing fabrication shop. A large building with a lot of employees that said she was the perfect shop dog.

It was about 2 miles SW from our home. The land around it is I would say barron wetlands fields. definitely the industrial area.

Anyway, sorry for anyones loss if they have experienced it, its soo hard. Hopefully this chart can help with studies. Thanks to all who pitched in:)
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2005 10:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boy I am kicking myself for not posting on this one sooner. I looked at the chart but got too caught up in Christmas to write what I noticed.

The dog was the 6th house ruler the Sun applying to a trine with Mars, the querent. They perfect in about 6 degrees, so the dog comes back in about 6 days. Mars receives the Sun, so Borealis welcomes the dog back.

I know this sounds like 20-20 hindsight, but who cares as long as the dog came back.

I lost my cat once, and he was gone for nine days, during which I was a basket case. I know what you went through, and how happy it is to see a lost pet after you've given up on them.
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borealis



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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No doubt Mark!
All of my judgements of horary seem to be like this! But, A few things I want to point out to be of congratualations seems to be that there were 2 consistant comments made that I believe are very significant:

1.) The 6 day thing... Although she was gone for more.. I was certainly thinking of the question earlier. Also, Nikita was found by this Steve guy, the very night she dissapeared!! She was only really "out of careful watch" for 2 days. Therefore only really "lost" for 2 days and being kept care of by strangers for 6 days???

2.) The idea that it was "too late" seemed to be consistent. Nikita was in the care of wonderful industrial area. She was inside, she couldn;t leave even if she wanted to and even though we were searching and whistling, she could not have come if she heard.

The sextile of moon to mercury that was pointed out is the last thing I want to mention because mercury is "communication" I did find her by receiving a phone call.. a 'communication'.

Again...thanks all for effort:) Can anyone see indications of her location??
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Borealis, great news!!!

Interesting that because I used Placidus, I got a different 6th house ruler (Mercury). Others using a different house system got the Sun. So I was using an entirely different significator.
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 8:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 11:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello
You can use placidus of course for domification, none can stop you... but in my opinion is a risky business, as the tradition in horary is to use regiomontanus, so even if you are right and Lilly wrong, what can happen, the problem is that you canīt rely on the knowledge that he and others leave us.
I donīt think the timing of two days is relevant... for a lost dog the importang timing is when the dog reappers or the owner receives the call... how much time the dog wanderer untill rescue is the problem of the dog, not of the owner, who wants to know when pet is coming home
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borealis



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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with using reg. system but only because the sources that I am trying to learn from are using them as well. Perhaps I will change when I have some better knowledge and understanding.

Now I am still left with a few questions and confusions regarding lost pets. Although I turned to all for help, I'm sure that this will not be the last time the question will come up.
1) Would it have been more wise to use the "event" chart of time when she went missing or the horary chart used days later after I exhausted my search?
2) Does the "lost pet" horary follow the same guidlines as a lost 'object' only replacing the 2nd house issues with the 6th house issues? This makes sence but I may be missing something?
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Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 10:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Borealis,

I'm glad to hear that your dog was safe. In this case I would have used the horary chart rather than the event chart. The chart may not have been as clear had you asked the question the minute you realised the dog was missing but, by the time you asked, you had exhausted all possibilities and you were desperate for some information. It is these situations that often make the clearest charts.

In the case of how to delineate the chart, Lilly has a good section in Christian Astrology that starts on about page 320 on lost or stolen things. He includes animals in this section, showing how to determine whether they are dead or alive, which direction they headed or whether they are in the pound. It is similar to determining the place of lost objects, which he also talks about in this section. If you don't have a copy, there are electronic versions available. There is a list of online texts of various books, including CA, on this site at http://www.skyscript.co.uk/texts.html
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borealis



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Posted: Fri Jan 06, 2006 7:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh Sue! Thank you so very much for this link. This is exactly what I need. My resources are very limited and I feel like I'm just getting little bits and parts all over the place.

You have truely answered the "root" of this question. Thanks:)
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