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Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the 8th house can be as bad or worse than the 12th. THe 12th is associated with the things we do to mess up our lives, but at least we get to do them ourselves. The 8th seems to do things to us.

One of the rarely mentioned, but I think more interesting ways to look at two planets is the mutual rection by debility. Dhamer has Saturn in Capricorn and Moon in Aries, a mutual reception by fall: retrograde Saturn is in the fall of the Moon and the Moon is in the fall of Saturn. They would be hurting each other rather than helping each other.

It's bad enough with the Saturn Moon square indicating depression, or even depravity, but Saturn squares the ASC and the Moon opposes it. Saturn and the Moon have great influence over all four angles. They rule by domicile the 4th - 10th axis. Saturn is the exaltation ruler of the 1st and the Moon sits on the 7th cusp. We could teach a whole seminar about Saturn and the Moon with this chart alone.

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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two outstanding examples; Andy Warhol, professional vicarious voyeur, and Divine, outrageous persona. In their own way there was a lot of 'depth-plumbing' involved, and the perpetual need for some variety of entourage (public insulation?)....Something for the mix.
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Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi jac,

I'm a little puzzzled by your post. Would you post Andy Warhol's data? I don't have it and I think it would be a big help. Thanks.

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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://astroqueer.tripod.com/charts/warhol.html http://astroqueer.tripod.com/charts/divine.html Hi Tom; here are links to their charts (images wouldn't post). What I was saying was Andy lived through other people's experiences and more or less reinterpreted/'co-opted' pre-existing images and experiences. He basically lived in an insular vacuum, growing up allergic to nearly everything. As with Divine, another celebrity with very limited options, as a schoolboy, Divine (Glenn Milstead) had to have a police escort to get to school intact. Save for very ghettoized neighborhoods, these are individuals who were seldom in public w/o an entourage. Also, both seem to fulfill some need of the public (sub?)conciousness to rise to such fame & notoriety. Now while these are extreme cases, perhaps on some level they may serve to illustrate some exaggerated octave of the 12th house.

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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi jac,

Thanks for the clarification. I'll check Warhol's chart. I wasn't sure if you were referring to the 12th house Sun (and therefore staying on topic) or my remark immediately above yours referring to the 8th house (which was slipping off topic).

To be honest, I've never heard of Divine.

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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My pleasure Tom; this is a wonderful place to be a 'fly on the wall', but if I have anything, it's nice to hop off! Divine, yesss... a unique individual. Here's a link to two more 12th house notables, Johnny Cash & John Ritter: http://www.llewellynjournal.com/article/532
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