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PLUTO -- Support Group for Scorpios

 
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SGFoxe



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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 2:51 pm    Post subject: PLUTO -- Support Group for Scorpios Reply with quote

Now that Pluto's been demoted, how are the scorps out there transforming? Back to old ruler Mars??? Ceres probably assigned to Taurus or Virgo ... Sick

What are the particulars and peculiaries of UB 2003 -- any scorpionic affinity.

Did so much history on the basis of the Phoenix -- the PL/NE 500 year cycle
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Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know its funny you should ask, I"ve always thought Pluto was misplaced as ruler of Scorpio, thought that if it ruled a sign it should be Pisces, as it is the about death and regeneration, the end and begining of the cycle etc. ERgo I've always USED Mars for that sign. My Daughter is a SCorpio and I'm an aries, Mars is one of very few things we seem to share. Wink

The real question is, have you rushed out to buy an Ephemeris with Pluto still in it? Get em while they last! I have my 50 year ephemeris, I find it doughtful I'll live longer than 90 years, if I do, I'll have to trust astro.com to keep pluto in their charts. Wink

Granny
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sisi



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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 10:01 am    Post subject: Oh no! Reply with quote

Help!
I've got Pluto conjunct my Ascendant at 5 Virgo, and I've always seen myself within that context.
What now?! Do I no longer bear the gifts (and brunt) of what Pluto offers?

Sisi Confused
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Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2006 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL, pluto is what it is, it hasn't changed because IAU decided it was something else. we call the sun and moon planets in astrology, but they aren't, hasn't changed their affect any has it? Wink

Granny the ever facetious old woman living in a shoe....
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skippy



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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And what about my obsessions? Shocked
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Coder



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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Granny wrote:
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I"ve always thought Pluto was misplaced as ruler of Scorpio, thought that if it ruled a sign it should be Pisces,

Perhaps you're not aware that Alice Bailey has Pluto as esoteric ruler of Pisces, and Mars as exoteric ruler of Scorpio. You are in insightful company. Smile

As for roses by other names, astronomers of course call that constellation Scorpius. How "dwarf planet" does not amount to "planet" when "dwarf plant" amounts to "plant" only an astronomer might be able to tell me. It would seem as logical to say "dwarf planet" amounts to "dwarf". Viz the logical point that Neptune cannot be a "planet" by the new definition because it hasn't succeeded in sweeping up Pluto -- and scientists are the paradigm examples of rationality???
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 1:48 pm    Post subject: Pluto rules Pisces? Reply with quote

Dear Granny,
I've got Alice Bailey's book somewhere - will look it up.

However, I've always seen Pluto as the planet which demands confrontation with the hope of a rebirth of sorts (whether it's an opinion, or a breakthrough is irrelevant), because boundaries are being challenged.

Neptune is the planet which cannot have boundaries - mi casa, sua casa sort of thing. it transcends such things.

Pisces' notion of death is about transcending the ego - but there has to be an ego to transcend.

What do you think?

Sisi x
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I've never met anyone without an ego, and then there is mundane astrology, so Pisces is about getting through the ugly mess of ending and rebirth, so, hmmm, nope I think IF, and that's a big iff, I dont see the outter planets as ruling signs, Pluto were to RULE a sign, it makes more sense that it rules Pisces, than Scorpio, Scorpio is too physical world for Pluto. In my experience, as i said, I'm sure others have different opinions.

Skippy, your obsessions?
How do you obsess? let me count the ways...
you obsess over the moon and stars in the heavens,
and over every grain of sand along the sea,
you obsess over the waiter in the restaurant,
and over what to serve for tea,

how does skippy obsess?
With ego and with id
such jungian obsession
for modern stars are fit.
count ad infinitem
or count them not at all
for obsession is but one thing
that preys upon us all

LOL, hey dont tempt the muse or you may end up in my next book

Granny
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Posted: Sun Aug 27, 2006 8:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Granny
Hah so you think Libra a la Venus is the obssesive type then. I see.
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Posted: Mon Aug 28, 2006 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well since i have Libra rising Venus in 7 in taurus, I suppopse I'd have a difficult time refuting that statement. Wink Granny
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Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2006 10:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember my first reading in 1980.
she (the astrologer) was a taurus.
Told me I had a venus problem.......
that I should never gamble.....
and to take my rose colored glasses off and leave them off.
that's all I remember, but it's stuck.
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Stephanie



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Posted: Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: PLUTO -- Support Group for Scorpios Reply with quote

Hi, I'm new here, but I wanted to weigh in on this issue.

I have to admit that "losing" Pluto angered me for a few hours. Ha! I like the word demoted, because for me, at least, that's how it felt. I'm Pluto-ruled, (Scorpio Ascendant, sun square Pluto and other placements) and it's always been my favorite planet. I'll continue to use it as I always have -- in tandem with Mars (usually when I'm reading charts on heavily Scorpionic individuals.) But it was a bit of a blow because I've only recently learned to relate (in a creative fashion) with Pluto.
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, for heaven's sake...who cares what they call Pluto. Let's call him a bowling ball.

That bowling ball just went direct Monday. I'm no Scorpio, but I was born at Pluto station, and that bowling ball definitely let me it know it was coming back to hit me upside the head!!
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Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

after reading your quote I couldn't quite bring myself to not reply with...


The secret ot happiness involves ducking the fast flying ukelele's...

And since we know the moon isn't a planet and call it a planet anyway, what's it matter?

okay just my two cents... Granny
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Posted: Fri Sep 08, 2006 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Memo: To Pluto

From: The Solar System

Subject: Demotion to dwarf planet status.

Dear Pluto:

Whew. This is a tough one. First, I just want you to know that we
all feel terrible about this. I think I speak for us all -- Mars, Venus, the whole gang -- when I say you've been like a sun to us. Seriously.

Look, I can't say this is fair. It isn't. Downsizing is just a fact
of life these days. It's universal. One minute you're on the "Children's Guide to the Solar System," and the next you're a black hole. Who knows how they make these calls at headquarters?

I do have to say, in all honesty, that there were some problems. A
lot of it was just image stuff. We've talked about this before. Like, what makes Mercury so hot anyhow? It is hard to fight perceptions like that.

And, to be brutally honest, you probably could have done a better job with your presentation. There were times when you were seen as distant, loof, even cold. Nobody saw you much. We ran in the same circles for ears and years, but I don't think anybody really got to know you. It wasn't just your "eccentric orbit," you know. There were plenty of whispers that you were "way out there," or "too spacey."

As for the jokes, well, I don't think there was much you could do
about that. "Hey look, isn't that Pluto? Out by Uranus?" How many times did we hear that one? No matter how many times we explained that Neptune is the planet next to you, it didn't matter. Sophomoric humor is a force that transcends astrophysics.

At the end of the day, I think we all realize that what it really
comes down to is Earth. (I know, who made them the center of the universe?) Earth, with its big, gassy atmosphere and all those peeping pointy-headed scientists with their telescopes.

They act like they created planets. Hello? Big Bang? Ten billion
years ago? Frankly, I don't get it. First they name us, then they take it away. For seventy-some years you were a planet. Now you're a "dwarf planet." What's next, changing your name to "Dopey"?

But there was a time, eh, when you were a star. Back in the 1930s, you were mysterious and theoretical. Astronomers on Earth stayed up nights thinking about you. They'd hang around the observatory, just hoping to catch a glimpse of you on a night when you were out with Neptune.

Remember the excitement when they finally saw you? There was all the
talk about what your name should be. The New York Times got involved,
suggesting Minerva, which sounds like a name for a new kitchen range. And then, an 11-year-old girl from England, Venetia Phair, suggested Pluto, and it stuck. (Personally, I'd say if anyone needed a new name it was Venetia Phair, but that's probably just solar snark.)

And all right, as it turned out, Pluto was probably not the most
awe-inspiring choice. Jupiter gets to be the giant of the skies, and you
turn out to be Mickey Mouse's dog. A bad break, no doubt about it.

Still, there was a window of opportunity there, a chance to make a
name for yourself. And I'll be honest, you didn't do much to help matters.
It seemed you were never available for photographs. And you projected a
chilly, frigid atmosphere. It wasn't inviting, frankly.

The more they got to know you, the more there were doubts. They said
you lacked "gravitas." The whisper campaign began. You were smaller than seven moons in the solar system, even -- and this was a killer -- Earth's moon.

I don't have to tell you how it all unraveled from there. There was
sniping about your "oblong orbit." (Hey, we all accept the orbit we're
given. It's a universal law.) A low point had to be when that big ball of
ice, UB313, was put up for planethood in 2003. Hey, it's a solar system, not a Little League team. Not everybody gets to play, OK?

Yanking your planet status is a blow, no doubt about it. More than
anything, I suppose, it is embarrassing. But you'll get over it. The sun
will come up again in another 162 hours, just like always.

The good news is, you still have a chance to shine. Earth scientists
say they are going ahead with the $700 million New Horizons spacecraft
flyby. It is expected to pass you on July 14, 2015.

We're all pulling for you when that happens. We know that when they
see you up close and in person they will understand that you are not some
dwarf, or a "minor planet," but a key part of the solar system. We'd just
say that you should always remember who you are and what we think of you.

You rock.



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