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Astrology Manifesto by Patrice Guinard

 
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Mike



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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2007 1:39 am    Post subject: Astrology Manifesto by Patrice Guinard Reply with quote

This is a manifesto for furtering the cause of astrology.
It's divided in 4 parts. He argues that astrology is outside
the domain of natural science, social science, religion and philosophy.
And that trying to justify astrology from the perspective of
other fields of knowledge is mistaken and bound to failure.
He talks about a matrix kind of knowledge that has no fixes
sets of dogmas.

"A preliminary version of The Manifesto is in my doctoral dissertation (Paris, Sorbonne, 1993), of which chapters 1, 44, 45 and 63 have been rewritten."

http://cura.free.fr/07athem1.html
http://cura.free.fr/07athem2.html
http://cura.free.fr/10athem3.html
http://cura.free.fr/12athem4.html
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ChrisK



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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I find Guinard unreadable.
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Mike



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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The style used in his manifesto is not
the typical british of simplicity and elegance.
His french nationality is reflected in his
writing. It shows sophistication, complexity,
depth and of course elegance. It's too
difficult a reading for most brits.
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2007 7:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael,
Your last comment is probably made with tongue in cheek, but even so please remember that members "should avoid posting comments that could cause offence or be generally construed as objectionable in content or tone". All forms of national stereotyping are best avoided!
Garry
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Mike



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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you are referring to this: "It's too
difficult a reading for most brits."

It is true. However it is true for most french
as well. Those national stereotypes are so
false. I'm sorry for making that assertion.

I will try to follow the rules more strictly. Since
I am a perfectionist.
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Juan



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Posted: Sat Aug 18, 2007 7:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Astrology Manifesto by Patrice Guinard Reply with quote

Mr. Guinard doesn't make a distinction between the original or "primal" Babylonian Astrology which was based on the human experience of the sky, and Greek horoscopics --the Astrology we know and practice today-- which is based on abstract geometrical and mathematical metaphors and conventions, a cultural construct that only marginally reflects the actual experience of the sky.

He builds his argumentation on the assumption that Astrology involves an "in situ", real-time connection with the actual celestial motions. However, the only time when such "in situ" or real time time connection exists in Astrology is when one works **without** radix charts, such as in some schools of mundane Astrology. When the astrologer bases his work on a "chart", no such connection exists.

The result is an explanation of Astrology that only barely touches what astrologers actually do.

there is a long collection of posts dealing with the demonstration of this principle here:

http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/posts/notes/theory.html

Juan Revilla
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