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Sunny Dawn



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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:28 pm    Post subject: For those you have experienced these transits... Reply with quote

Folks,

Wonder if I could have some feedback on my upcoming transits. If something memorable happened to you during an identical transit, I would love to know what it was.

Next year, Uranus Conjuncts my natal Mars, and sextiles my natal Venus simultaneously. A little later in the year, Saturn trines my natal Venus, and goes opposite natal Mars.

Although it is unlikely that anyone would have had these planets in the same houses I have them, I'll mention that my natal Mars is in the 7th house and my natal Venus is in the 5th house.

Share your experiences, and your feelings during these transits if you remember them. My Uranus has not been active by transit in many years, so I'm eager for a pleasant surprise. A lot of the literature on Uranus Conjunct Mars is fairly negative, so I'd be interested in what people have to say in terms of actual experience.

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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:22 pm    Post subject: Anybody out there? Reply with quote

Where are you guys?
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Over here, behind the piano!
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Where are you guys?


OK here goes:

Due to the position of planets in my chart, From the time Uranus entered Aquarius until a little past 1 Pisces it hit every planet and angle in my chart by aspect except the Moon. At 8 Pisces Uranus trined the Moon.

I think it is safe to say in that entire period (7 - 8 years) not one single important event occurred at the time of a Uranus aspect. Not one. All sorts of things happened, as they would to anyone over that time period, but they seemed to wait until Uranus was out of orb of anything.

My first astrology teacher used to say: "Transits are not enough."

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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Sunny Dawn,

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My first astrology teacher used to say: "Transits are not enough."

I agree with Tom's first astrology teacher. Progressions set the stage for transits. It's hard to talk about transits in isolation from progressions and other transits. Also need to know the houses all planets inhabit and rule in the natal chart.

Having said that, let's see, Uranus would have conjoined my 9th house Mars when I was 9 years old. My best friend had just moved away and I suddenly felt like an alien in my home town. Shocked That's pretty Uranian. Shortly after that, we moved thousands of miles from the east coast to the west coast of Canada.

Uranus sextiled my 11th house Venus when I was 14. That's when I fell for the leader of the pack. Cool

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Posted: Tue Oct 02, 2007 4:55 pm    Post subject: Thank you everyone...let me add a question Reply with quote

Astro amigos,

I freely admit to not using progressions - its the one thing in astrology that I would like to take a course on, and have someone guide me through.

But I went ahead and calculated progressions for the upcoming year, around the time these transits will occur, and I see that Venus has progressed to 8 degrees Pisces, precisely inconjunct natal Uranus on the 2nd house cusp.

Could anyone explain how I might interpret the following transits in light of this progression info?

7th house transiting Uranus (22 Pisces) conjunct 7th house Mars (22 Pisc) and sextile 5th house Venus (22 Cap)

Later in the year:

Saturn (4 Virgo) transiting Venus (22 Cap), perfect trine

Looking ahead:

In two years, my Sun will progress to 4 Pisces, a perfect trine with natal Jupiter in the 2nd house.

In five years, my Venus will progress to 14 Pisces, my natal Descendent and 7th house cusp.


If I could pick the brains of folks who work with progressions for some possible interpretations, I would totally appreciate it. Next year is my year to learn about progressions - its my New Year's Resolution!
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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In five years, my Venus will progress to 14 Pisces, my natal Descendent and 7th house cusp.

If I could pick the brains of folks who work with progressions for some possible interpretations, I would totally appreciate it.

Hi Sunny Dawn,

Once you know how to progress planets and angles, you just interpret the progressions the way you would transits with the difference that progressions show inner growth, readiness or ripening of natal potentials. I'd call Venus progressed to the DC readiness for a committed relationship (although you still have to see what Venus rules in the natal chart and any other relevant transits or progressions to 7th house or Venus). The most important progressions are those to or from the angles. The progressed moon is a trigger for transits and other progressions. I also pay a lot of attention to the progressed lunation cycle.

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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Transits only tell us the exact timing of an event predicted by our Solar return or Directions. When transits are unsupported by the Solar Return or Directions they are a spark without gunpowder.
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Aaron,

Can you explain how to calculate Primary Directions? I have been looking without success for this information ...

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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Directions are somewhat complicated due to the exactness of their calculation as they were also used to predict certain events down to the exact minute of their happening. However generally most directions are for 1 year = 1 degree movement of the Significator. Only the Hylegical points are used in Directions as the Significators(Ascendant, Midheaven, Sun, Moon, & Part of Fortune). They also need to be exactly lined up exactly on the same degree with the Promittors (any Planet or point in the Nativity). Astro.com used to offer a chart that would calculate these for you but I cant seem to find it on their site now after they updated that. I hope this somewhat helps. If not feel free to ask some more questions and ill try to clarify.
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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most directions are for 1 year = 1 degree movement of the Significator.

Thanks very much for this Aaron. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds, then, like Primary Directions are very close to Solar Arc Directions, except that you only use the Hylegical points.

Do I have this right?

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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, you are correct they are quite similar. The only difference is Directions are more specific (having degree & minute calculations, for instance 1 degree = 1 year and 1 minute = 6 days & etc.). They seemed to have removed the Solar Arc chart from Astro.com which was a great help for looking at Directions.
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Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Transits only tell us the exact timing of an event predicted by our Solar return or Directions. When transits are unsupported by the Solar Return or Directions they are a spark without gunpowder.


Transits can stand alone, but you probably should find something to back them up if you're looking for eye-popping events. It depends on the level of the event. Saturn transits can leave us short of cash for a couple of weeks. Mars square a natal ASC-Planet conjunction can produce events that are important enough at the time to upset plans or ruin a day, but are forgotten over the course of a life. That’s no “spark without gunpowder”.

This hierarchical approach has been stressed lately after all the return to older sources, and in the older sources the ancients used primary directions. Apparently, varieties of them. First come the primary directions – but which method of directing? To require something that no one can agree upon before using transits should seems kind of silly.

Secondary progressions aren’t really all that old, comparatively, and you have to accept the idea that a day can equal a year. Symbolic units of time – that ought to make a person stop and think. It seems most people are computing the angles incorrectly. And there are those who say that originally the progressed angles weren’t even used – only the planets.

Solar arc directions are possibly quite recent, and may have even resulted from misunderstood primary directing. Is it valid or useful to base prediction on the Sun?

I personally am partial to Solar and Lunar returns. But – for the birthplace or current residence? (I go for the current residence – but none of that I’m-so-clever birthday-weekend jet setting.)

I’m not saying that the methods above are wrong and useless, only that there are so many questions behind them. This hierarchical approach toward prediction probably is necessary, but if there are so many questions and unknowns concerning the preliminary, longer-term techniques, then we should probably let transits surprise us by acting alone.
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:00 pm    Post subject: Quik question on calculating progressions Reply with quote

Just a quick question on calculating progressions - are the retrograde motions of planets like Mercury taken into account (I'm assuming they are).

My earlier calculations were done with free software available on the Internet since I am at work. I simply progressed the chart 30-something days after I was born. Mercury was Rx at birth, so it advanced far more slowly than my Sun or Venus did. Did I do this correctly?
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Sunny Dawn,

Yes you did it correctly. Secondary Progressions are simply this: 1 full day in the ephemeris = 1 full year of life. The Sun moves approx. 1 degree/year (and it's this that solar arcs are based on -- moving all planets the same amount as the Sun has travelled); the moon from 12 to 14 degrees/year (approx. 1 degree/month). Everything moves just as it did back then when you were a baby. Assuming you live to be 90, that's just 3 months in the ephemeris.

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