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UEFA EURO 2008 Finals
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Andrew Bevan



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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:14 pm    Post subject: UEFA EURO 2008 Finals Reply with quote

I have cast a chart regarding the Winner of the UEFA Euro 2008 Finals. Regard this as an initial approach. I notice that others have debated the qualifying rounds with considerable enthusiasm. I have thrown in an early chart for the contest, but everything is up for discussion - the signs that represent the various teams and nations. If anyone wants to contribute with other charts and pass their own judgement, please feel free.

This chart is cast on the Day of the Sun in the Hour of Mars. Capricorn is on the ascendant, which is the exaltation of Mars. The dignity of the lord of the hour on the ascendant proves the chart radical and fit to be judged.

Gemini is on the cusp of the 4th house of this chart - and contest will be held in two countries with matches played in both Switzerland and Austria. The 4th house and its lord, Mercury, may also indicate the defenders of the title, who are Greece (Virgo), i.e. Mercury in Scorpio gives preference to Virgo rather than Gemini. The Moon is 15GE11 on the cusp of the 5th house of games and competitions. This offers further confimation of the chart.

http://www.astronor.com/UEFAEuro08.gif

Qualified teams are Austria (Libra), Croatia (Virgo), Czech Republic (Sagittarius?), France (Leo), Germany (Aries), Greece (Virgo), Italy (Leo), Netherlands (Cancer, Taurus), Poland (Taurus, Aquarius, Aries), Portugal (Pisces), Romania (Leo), Russia (Taurus), Spain (Sagittarius), Sweden (Aquarius), Switzerland (Virgo) and Turkey (Virgo).

I have often found that the winner in such charts is shown by the ascandant. Capricorn is on the ascendant. Saturn, the lord of the ascendant, is in Virgo, intercepted in the 7th, accompanied by the Moon's South Node. Virgo is Greece, Turkey, Switzerland or Croatia. All four countries are qualified. Saturn is square the Midheaven through signs of long ascension. Saturn lacks essential dignities but is in reception with Venus. Venus is in the exaltation and triplicity of Saturn, Saturn is in her triplicity and face. But Saturn is weakened by the presence of the South node and according to this impediment my judgement is that these teams shall not prevail.

Mars, almuten of the ascendant, gaining 6 essential dignities by exaltation and term, and who also is lord of the hour, is in Cancer, representing the Netherlands. But since Mars is both retrograde and cadent, he does not represent the winner.

Any nation represented by Capricorn would benefit in this tournament, due to the agreement between the ascendant and the lord of the hour. This could prove an advantage to the Germans (Aries), considering their significator Mars has dignities in the ascendant by both exaltation and term.

The Moon, who is co-significator of the question, is on the cusp of the 5th, in the terms of Venus, and she does apply to the dispositor of her terms by trine. Venus is in her own sign and on her own throne as it were. She is in the nonagesimal and square the ascendant, where she has dignities by triplicity. I therefore judge that the winner may be taken by the position of Venus. Venus opposes the exaltation degree of the Sun, and is therefore in his fall, but because she is sat own her throne, she is apt to maintain her pose - and is a representation of Leo!

Fortuna is in the 3rd degree of Leo, in an angular house, and square the exaltation degree of the Moon. Fortuna is in trine with her dispositor, the Sun, who is culiminating in the chart and in the degree of the nodes. By gathering all testimonies I therefore choose to look for a team and nation represented by Leo [Remember the 2006 World Cup - I had either Italy or France down as winners. The teams met eachother in the final with Italy drawing the longest straw!]

I wouldn't be suprized to see Germany in the 2008 final, facing a Leo nation, or we could get a repeat of the World Cup finals between Italy and France. In view of Fortuna in the West, with both Moon and Venus in Western signs, in the Western hemisphere - I give advantage to France. Venus in her own sign and in opposition to the exaltation degree of the Sun would correctly signify France as they were the followers up in the 2006 World Cup Championships.
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fascinating stuff, Andrew Smile Will you be placing your bet now? France are around 8/1. They are 3rd favourite behind Germany and Italy, so it would appear the bookies agree with your top picks!
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It appears that Unibet give the odds 9-1 on France. They have Spain on top, followed by Germany and Italy. If I open a new account with 200 they give a bonus of 100. If France win it gives a 2700 return, which is 13,5-1. I will consider that option.
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew, consider putting a bet on Croatia. Thumbs up
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:39 pm    Post subject: Re: UEFA EURO 2008 Finals Reply with quote

Andrew J. Bevan wrote:

http://www.astronor.com/UEFAEuro08.gif


I have often found that the winner in such charts is shown by the ascandant.


Just one of those annoying questions by me...sure that you are used to it by now Wink

I ask the same question about the Euro 2008 winner: 26th November 2007, 20:40 - Leeds, England. 8 Leo on the asc.
Is the answer still the same?

I dont see how that could have any relevance whatsoever, unless you do it as an event natal ie start of the Euro 2008 finals campaign. Discuss?

Of course, you did say it was an initial approach. Cool
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's great! You appear to have entered your post at 6.39 p.m. and then asked your question two hours later! There is no relation between the lord of the hour and the radical ascendant or it's lord. If you want to judge this chart, go ahead and tell us what you come up with. I am interested to hear.

By the way, I will cross my fingers and do a hand-stand for Croatia, but please tell me why I should put money on them??
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew J. Bevan wrote:
That's great! You appear to have entered your post at 6.39 p.m. and then asked your question two hours later! There is no relation between the lord of the hour and the radical ascendant or it's lord. If you want to judge this chart, go ahead and tell us what you come up with. I am interested to hear.


You what? Smile
I think you missed the point (look at your lottery post as an example of me missing your point)

I dont want to judge this chart. I was asking about the method of using horary to find the Euro 2008 winner. As you can see, you have one and so do I, both different. Should look to the 10th for the winner?
Different answer in both.
I'm asking you to justify the method used if you feel ok doing that, please.

Andrew J. Bevan wrote:

By the way, I will cross my fingers and do a hand-stand for Croatia, but please tell me why I should put money on them??


Astrologically?
I've been on that case for a while now, even before I really looked at the astrology of it.
A better way would be for you, or anyone else on this forum, to attempt the working out yourself and see if the same conclusion is met.

If 1 person out of 100 thinks it so, not gonna carry much weight. If 40 out 100 agree, that is much better.

Looks like you got the ball rolling...

If you can answer my "ethical" question about predicting by horary, I would be eternally indebted. Maybe others might want to hear that too, you do seem quite an intelligent speaker.
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think you missed the point (look at your lottery post as an example of me missing your point)


Winning the lotto is like trying to hit a bucket with a coin by throwing it out the train window with your eyes closed somewhere on the stretch between London-Newcastle.

However, I am fascinated with the magic of astrology and don't mind sticking my head forward in the attempt to create a plausable case where the unlikely actually does occur. Apart from one 3rd prize with the odds being 1:28.000, I have not yet been able to repeat the experiment. but that does not mean that I have not learnt anything about astrology by carrying out this exercise.

I don't understand why you submit a chart to be judged if you do not intend to judge it - if anything the chart not being radical would be an indication of your intentions. Personally, I attempted to be both thorough and detailed throughout my jugdement of the given chart but I still think that the question is open for discussion. That is what the forum is about.

You will find horaries on my website that predicted the winners of the World Cup 1986, 2006 and Eurovision Song Contest 1987 but I do not always cast charts for these events.

I still fail to see why you are in favour of Croatia. You are still welcome to commit your ideas, particulary since you advised to put our money on the team.
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew,
This is very interesting topic and very chalanging. I am very interested to find right method to pick up winner from all participants. Your analyses is very detailed.
I would like to try Frawleys method that he mentioned in his new book, and it is:
"...look for the planet that first aspects L10 or, failing that, has an immediate conjuctionwith the MC"
Moon in Ge is the first planet that aspect Ju, but we have no country in this contestwhich is in that sign.
Noone planet has immediate conjuction with the MC, so we have no lucky with that method.
If we look for most strength planet in this chart thay are Sa, Ve and Su.
AD
Sa=17
Ve=12
Su=13
Because this is no big difference we add ED and get after that
Sa=12
Ve=17
Su=16
If we use method "keep it simple"
Ve is in Li-that is Austria
Su is in Sag-that is Spain.
If we look by chinese astrology, my vote goes to Austria, because next chinese year is Rat, which support Dragon (Austria, nat.team founded 1904) and do not support Rooster(Spain, nat.team founded 1909).
I am a bit confused that sport kit of Austria is white/red so that does not fit, but according by Beth Koch Libra can mean contrasting colors, like black/whate, so I hope this white/red combination fit.
On more thing, Ve is on Spica!!!
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew J. Bevan wrote:

I don't understand why you submit a chart to be judged if you do not intend to judge it - if anything the chart not being radical would be an indication of your intentions.


I give up. I thought explaining it like a 6 year old would help.

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I dont want to judge this chart. I was asking about the method of using horary to find the Euro 2008 winner. As you can see, you have one and so do I, both different. Should look to the 10th for the winner?
Different answer in both.
I'm asking you to justify the method used if you feel ok doing that, please.
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Goca, it's good to see you Very Happy Regarding what you said about JF's method

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Noone planet has immediate conjuction with the MC, so we have no lucky with that method.


The Sun is applying to conjoin the MC, which brings us to Leo again - France and Italy - which is the same conclusion that Andrew reached.

I'm glad you're still looking at the Chinese method. Austria winning would be a great prediction!
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The Sun is applying to conjoin the MC, which brings us to Leo again - France and Italy - which is the same conclusion that Andrew reached.


Yes, I saw this, but I think it is not immediate conjuction, it is nearly 4,5 degrees orb, immediate conjunction will be 1-eventualy 2 degrees in my opinion.

Andrew,
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But Saturn is weakened by the presence of the South node and according to this impediment my judgement is that these teams shall not prevail.


I am not sure this is a good judgement. This is longterm prediction and Sa separate from South Node, not applay and will separate more. Fathermore, orbis is not so close, 6 degrees.
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I placed my bet on France today at time 10.10 LST (09.10 GMT)
Odds 9:1 Thumbs up

Local Asc 20SG38. The Moon 24LE21 applying to Jupiter 25SG50 in the first house. Jupiter sat on his own throne. MC 9SC26. Mars 10CN50 retrograde trine Midheavan. Venus, lady of the hour, applying in a sextile to lord of the asc. Both in their propper signs.

Saturn 8VI14 rules 2nd house, and is joined to Fortuna in the 8th. These are square Sun through signs of long ascension. The Sun is in his own triplicity. Saturn casts a sextile to the Midheavan, and Mars, lord of the Midheaven retrogrades to meet him.
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone happen to have the natal chart of Holland/Netherlands?
An accurate birth time too?
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Posted: Fri May 30, 2008 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

By chinese astrology I got differnet result from horary:

2008 is chinese year Rat, yang earth

1.Portugal 1914 Tiger, yang wood
yang wood and yang earth are in conflict but Rat and
Tiger are in sextile /-,+

2.Czech 1901 Ox, yin metal
yang earth and yin metal are friend, ox and Rat are
neutral/+,.

3.Netherlands 1889, Ox, yin earth
yang earth and yin earth are friend, ox and Rat are
neutra/+,.

4.France 1919, sheep, yin earth
yang earth and yin earth are friend, Sheep and rat are in
inconjunction, so/ +,-

5.Croatia 1992, Monkey, yang water
yang earth and yang water are in conflict, but Monkey
and Rat are in trine, so/ -,+

6.Germany 1900, Rat, yang metal
yang earth and yang metal are friend, years are same,
Rat so/ +,+


7.Sweden 1904, Dragon, yang wood
yang earth and yang wood are in conflict but Dragon and
rat are in trine/ -,+

8.Turkey 1923, Pig, yin water
yang earth and yin water are in conflict, Pig and rat are
neutral / -,.

9.Romania 1909, Rooster, yin earth
yang earth and yin earth are friends but Rooster and rat
are in square/ +,-

10.Austria 1904, Dragon, yang wood
yang earth and yang wood are in conflict, but dragon
and Rat are in trine/ -,+

11.Russia 1912, Rat, yang water
yang earth and yang water are in conflict, but years are
same/ -,+


12.Switzerland 1895, Sheep yin wood
yang earth and yin wood are in conflict, and Sheep and
Rat are in inconjunction /-,-

13.Poland 1919, Sheep, yin earth
yang earth and yin earth are friend, but Sheep and Rat
are in inconjunction /+,-

14.Greece 1926, Tiger, yang fire
Yang earth and Yang fire are friend, Tiger and Rat are in
sextile/ +,+


15.Spain 1909, Rooster, yin earth
yang earth and yin earth are friend, but Rooster and rat
are insquare/ +,-

16. Italy 1898, Dog, yang earth
yang earth and yang earth are friends, dog and rat are in
sextile/ +,+


So in my opinion best chace to be winner this year has (in this order):

1.Germany
2.Greece
3.Italy
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