16 by Gunhilde "Role play". That's my ex-sister-in-law in a nutshell. A friend of mine once also described her as 'brittle'. She is great at what we'd call 'front', but underneath there is a real trouble with her own identity. GH Quote Wed Nov 19, 2008 8:11 pm
17 by JohnLi I asked those questions about the past to "feelthef" for the following reasons which I will illustrate with some graphics from my astrology program in which I programmed those special secundary progressions. I chose aspects TO the radical Sun to show that events will happen to a so-called "unaspected" Sun. Jan. 1996, a love affair (as confirmed) , why? Progressive Venus makes a sextile to the Sun in H3, the house of relationships. Venus is the universal significator of relationships. Venus in H5, the house of courtships/love affairs. Jan. 2004, mental development, picking up of a study (as confirmed), why? Progressive Mercury makes a conj. with radical Sun in H3, the house of study. Mercury is the natural significator of studies and all kinds of mental developments. This was a very important period for him. Jan. 2003, problems with parents or with bosses (as confirmed), why? The progessive Sun makes an opposition with the MC and is at the same time entering H4, the house of parents/family. The opposition MC gives the problems at work with bosses march 1998, no job, but june 98 drivers licence and sept. 98 a job. This is what I had in mind with the job: Progressive Moon for 1-1-1998 Progressive Moon conj. Sun in march, so no job, I was wrong there. June 1998 gave the drivers licence, which is Moon 30 Mercury. Moon to Merc = 6?27', so around 15 june Sept. 98 gave the job with Moon 60 Cusp-2. The H2 indicates his first earned (big) money which he might have spent immediately after. Moon to Cusp is 10? 6' so maybe end of sept for that job or the money. The reasoning behind this all is the following. The so called "unaspected" Sun gives no impeditions at all for future events in life. This I have experienced in many hundreds of horoscopes I made the past 25 years. The "unaspected" Sun grants a love affair (Venus to Sun), he also grants a new study and scholarship (Mercury to Sun) and he also gives struggles with others (Sun to MC) I intentionally made progressions of other planets to the radical Sun to show that the "unaspected" Sun grants everything or sometimes denies things of life. Often you read that "whatever is not indicated in the birth horoscope, cannot be shown later in life" or expressions like that. Which is not true to my own experience. Because if the unaspected radical Sun promisses nothing (because he is unaspected) how can it be here that the first 3 evens did happen to "feelthef"? The Sun granted these things. Personally, as I did show earlier, I think the Sun is not unaspected, so he can surely play a role in the horoscope. Feelthef might have been shy in his early years because of this "hidden" Sun in H3 and so-called "unaspected" status, but later on around 2004 he became a complete other person, because the Merc. conj. Sun changed his life completely in all things, which feelthef may confirm if true.... Then some final remarks which I also noted earlier... a planet is never UNCONNECTED, even if he might be unaspected. The Sun here is always connected somehow with Mars, because he is in Aries and he is also connected with Mercury because he is in H3. The mundane H3 is the domain of Mercury and it was exactly Mercury with his conj. to this Sun that broke the "ice of his life" figuratively speaking. Well, that's it for now, best to you all here.... John Quote Thu Nov 20, 2008 7:15 am
Unaspected sun 18 by feelthef Dear JohnLi For me you proved that unaspected sun or planet is still the factor in the chart and they have influence over person`s life. When I was young I was very shy, timid, uncommunicative. Since Mercury conj. the Sun in 2004 and " break the ice of his life" I`m not shy anymore and absolutlly different person but a little uncommunicative yet. This is the best explanation I ever heard. Best regards Quote Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:26 pm
20 by marilu Depending on what orb one uses for a sextile my Sun is unaspected. DOB 25/03/62 Liverpool, UK 7.25pm. I am not sure where I stand on this and would be interested to know what orb others would use for sextiles. marilu Quote Tue Nov 25, 2008 3:03 pm
21 by aglaya JohnLi wrote:I chose aspects TO the radical Sun to show that events will happen to a so-called "unaspected" Sun. Well, that's it for now, best to you all here.... John Oh, but events do happen, of course. If a person has an unaspected Venus in a Natal chart it does not mean he or she will never fall in love. On the other hand, I've seen a chart with Venus in aspects to other planet(s), obviously announcing a good looking person and telling its part of the story about that persons love life yet, that beautiful young lady had had a period of 7 years of a complete loneliness (not a single boyfriend) from 23 to 30. That Venus gave her beauty, even the directions of some of her relationships but something else had prevented her from being in a relationship in that period. The progression charts themselves were clearly saying that it was a barren period for her - no potential. So, her aspects will express themselves when it comes to her relationships but it will happen once the progressions or Solar return charts say there is a potential for the relationship to begin in the first place. (She had felt the impact of her Venus aspect saturn when she was just 21 but it does not mean she'll spendf the rest of her life being hurt). Having a sign of a divorce in your chart still means you have to get married first so that you could even start thinking of a divorce. You can't be born divorced. On the other hand, you can always chose not to get married in the first place so, if your Sun is making 2 applying aspects, it only denotes you might have two marriages- if you dicide to. if not, you also won't get divorced. All that in a chart with both aspects of marriage and of divorce. Similarly, A woman with unaspected Sun can still find a husband,a nd he can reach her. Even three husbands! Aspects do not work non-stop at least not in the same way. they've got their own impact to the life of the Native but eventually obey to the actual situation. Things will also happen to people with unaspected planets when progressions/transits/SR announce them .But such planets behave differently. My Natal chart is saying my spouse might help me a lot to reach a high position on a proffesional level but progressions and SR chart have brought strong signs of starting a bussines with friends or getting a job thanks to a relative and so it was. It doesn't deny the facts from Natal chart, my life path is just obeying to progressions. I can, of course chose not to take such job but, yet, the offer is there. One day, if my chart is well read, progressions will trigger the promise from my natal chart in the same way and, potentialy, that aspect will have a bigger impact to my life then the progressional ones but there are way to least aspects in a Natal chart to tell s the story of every single day of our lives. The absence of aspects has its own story just like their presence has got its own. I already wrote what my impression about such planets "overdoing" and overly expressing their nature was. I'm saying this because, just like sometimes a planet with lots of aspects can get "stuck" sort of saying (I've seen lots of stressful aspect in both charts belonging to very succesful people and people constantly searching for job), unaspected planets do not simply say- NO to a whole sphere of life. They don't prevent events from happening because a placement of a planet in a house or a sign does not mean- an event. it's a lot more than that. if Sun in 10th would be an event (such as becoming someone in a high position) than an unaspected Sun would mean that person would never get to a high position. yet, the only chart with such a placement o unaspected Sun I've seen belonged to a man who had spent his whole pro life as a head of a huge firm. The question is- what kind of boss was he? The answer is- the type of boss whose Sun makes no aspects in his Natal chart! An authoritative, never to be crossed, non-flexible boss. But he did become a boss. Much less, he had been streaming to that position his whole life. The lack of aspects were just saying how his boss-story will or might develop. Events always happen, sooner or later but we can't find them all in a Natal chart, that would be too much to ask. We can always try to determine if a spose would be cheating on someone because the Natal chart might tell us whether someone's first or second husband/wife will be cheating but not how many times, whom with, etc. Events are easilly announced by progressions, transits and additional chart the Astrologer choses to use and so we will be abloe to find a beggining or potential for beggining of a relationship even in a chart with unaspected Venus. One of the oldest ways to determine the number of potential marriages one will have (or could have if he choses to) is to count the number of applying aspects that Sun (for women) or Moon (for men) make before leaving the sign. but people with these planets on 29 degrees or with no applying aspects whatsoever do get married. Those with lots of applying aspects sometimes never do. Because that is when we have to search for the answer somewhere else. Unaspected planet might sometimes cause that planet to "overdo" which is usually connected to that person's behavior; can also announce the lack of potential help when Native is "fighting" in a field presented by the house/sign that planet is occupying but they'll never announce the lack of that sphere of life. Every Astrloger uses what he thinks helps him to bring the best and most accurate judgement but, regardless of the fact whether he is taking minor aspects into consideration or not, he should always consider the value of that aspect as he should with major aspect for that matter. Aspects do allowe planets to express their energy on a ceratin field but every aspect also brings another planet's influence and lots of stressful aspects or exlusively squares "attacking" a planet can also bring about helpless situations occasionally. If an unaspected planet does not recieve any influences (hyperactive child with unaspected Mars example) and accumulates its own energy, a planet exposed to stressful aspects can also sometimes express itself in a way that native finds it impossible to change anything though he'd want to. I've seen that numerous times. On occasions, all that he actually recieves by these apsects is- obstacles. I would like to argue this with examples of charts with no aspects to a planet whatsoever (including minor aspects), unfortunatelly I don't have any at the moment but I think paying attention to a such planet is more that useful because the astrologer can point the Native in a rigfht direction when sees one. Quote Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:04 pm