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margherita



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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Scorpio was attributed to Islam because Scorpio was the sign the shift of the Conjunction occured in. Abu Ma'shar never makes those claims and the only referrance he makes is to the ingress chart of the shift of the Conjunction indicating Islam.
Steven


Yes, the fact Islam is born under a Scorpio conjunction was so well known that for a later one many astrologers, like Gaurico, could write prophecies and comments about another Antichrist Smile

The "horoscope of religions" in every case, is in the first pages of Albumasar "On great conjunctions", I have Burnett translation.
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Posted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

steven wrote:
Hi Yuzuru,

The chart is in Pingree and Kennedy's translation called "The Astrological History of Masha'allah". It is the 6th Horoscope: Here is a clip from that text:

As you can see, there is absolutely nothing "philosophical" in the nature of this association, but is based totally astrologically on the figure description and dispositions of the planets in the chart!

Steven


Thanks for the quote, I will search for it.
Anyway I believe in Albumasar the text is philosophical.
The horoscope of religions remembers me (and not just to me I believe) courses and recourses in Vico's La scienza nuova.

However, what changes is that this history is now presented clearly as a circular motion in which nations rise and fall. Nations eternally course and recourse through this cycle passing through these eras over and over again.
http://www.iep.utm.edu/v/vico.htm

It is the same concept we find in Albumasar so much time earlier than Vico. Religions have their phases - according Great Conjunctions in Albumasar, they are born, have their maximum influence and then die, till next phase stressed by the Great Conjunctions.

Another interesting study about planetary geography, colours and planets can be found in
Anna Caiozzo (she teaches in Paris University ):

Le temple de la Lune verte: de la couleur des planètes dans les miniatures
de l’Orient médiéval

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Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 10:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks everyone for the tips on available translations of Picatrix. I had read a little about it and also believed it had some medical astrology in it. Furthermore it interests me from a historical point of view.
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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2009 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi folks,

This is rather belated but I finally found the old thread I was looking for on the Planets and Religions.

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3247&highlight=islam

I thought it would be useful to look at next to the discussion here.

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