skyscript.co.uk
   

home articles forum events
glossary horary quiz consultations links more

Read this before using the forum
Register
FAQ
Search
View memberlist
View/edit your user profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
Recent additions:
Can assassinations be prevented? by Elsbeth Ebertin
translated by Jenn Zahrt PhD
A Guide to Interpreting The Great American Eclipse
by Wade Caves
The Astrology of Depression
by Judith Hill
Understanding the mean conjunctions of the Jupiter-Saturn cycle
by Benjamin Dykes
Understanding the zodiac: and why there really ARE 12 signs of the zodiac, not 13
by Deborah Houlding

Skyscript Astrology Forum

Aspects of the Moon to the main rulers

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Forum Index -> Horary & Electional Astrology
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Taurus7



Joined: 23 Oct 2003
Posts: 568

Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 1:02 am    Post subject: Aspects of the Moon to the main rulers Reply with quote

Hi,
If the moon makes square aspects with the ruler of the querent and the quesited in quick succession, and the rulers of the querent and quesited are essentially strong;
would this be considered:
1) A form of translation; and thus a form of perfection (I know "true" translation is when the faster planet is separating from an aspect of one ruler and forming an aspect with the other)
or
2) Some form of a connection between the two via whatever is signified by the moon
or
3) No perfection, since these are square aspects

Thanks.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Pete



Joined: 29 Apr 2004
Posts: 301
Location: Kinnelon, New Jersey, USA

Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,
I'll take a shot at this one. It's a good question!
If the Moon is about to square both significators successively, then the two sigs are either in conjunction or opposition to each other, and if we're relying on the Moon to bring them together then I presume they must be separating from each other?
You're right when you say that this isn't technically translation of light, where the Moon would have already aspected one sig and be moving on to the other. Nevertheless the applications of the Moon are going to link the two sigs together in some way, and probably with a great deal of stress that could cause a major disagreement or schism, particularly if both sigs are strongly dignified and there is no reception between them. That would seem to be the common sense interpretation, all else being equal.

Cheers,
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Taurus7



Joined: 23 Oct 2003
Posts: 568

Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Pete,
Thanks for your response.
Quote:
If the Moon is about to square both significators successively, then the two sigs are either in conjunction or opposition to each other, and if we're relying on the Moon to bring them together then I presume they must be separating from each other?

The main rulers are Venus and Mars and as you know Venus is about to conjunct Mars, except it goes retro first. However, I notice that the Moon is making the connection before Venus goes retro.
Quote:
Nevertheless the applications of the Moon are going to link the two sigs together in some way, and probably with a great deal of stress that could cause a major disagreement or schism

Ah! Nothing comes easy in life, just once or twice I would be thrilled to see a wonderful little trine with strong mutual reception and 4 or 5 confirmations of the happy outcome... Wink
By the way, I notice you've been responding to some posts lately. If you copy a part of a post that you are responding to, and you want that particular text to stand out from your response, all you have to do is copy and paste the text into your reply box; click on the left button of your mouse and drag to hilite the applicable text; then click on "Quote" at the top of the reply box. Doing so will result in the text being hilited so it doesn't get mixed up with your response.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Pete



Joined: 29 Apr 2004
Posts: 301
Location: Kinnelon, New Jersey, USA

Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
By the way, I notice you've been responding to some posts lately. If you copy a part of a post that you are responding to, and you want that particular text to stand out from your response, all you have to do is copy and paste the text into your reply box; click on the left button of your mouse and drag to hilite the applicable text; then click on "Quote" at the top of the reply box. Doing so will result in the text being hilited so it doesn't get mixed up with your response.


You mean like this? :-D
Thanks for the tip, I was getting pretty confused about how to do it properly!
As for the Moon applying first to Venus and then to Mars before Mars leaves Gemini and Venus goes retro', I think that ~ as in true Translation of Light ~ it won't facilitate anything if the Moon isn't in any of the dignities of either sig'. I could be wrong, but that's the way it seems to me.

Cheers...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Taurus7



Joined: 23 Oct 2003
Posts: 568

Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
it won't facilitate anything if the Moon isn't in any of the dignities of either sig'.

I was wondering if you could help me understand this one...I get confused if it's one way or the other...

As I take a look at the Moon, it is in the triplicity and face of Venus, but nothing of Mars. Is this what you mean by above?
Or, do you mean the other way round; i.e. Venus or Mars should be in one of the dignities of the Moon.

Also, while taking another look at this chart, the Sun is located in the 7th in 10 deg 54 minutes in Taurus. So the Moon is doing the classical definition of translation by separating from the trine with the sun and coming to a square with Venus.

The Sun is in the exaltation and face of the Moon, while the Moon is not in any of the dignities of the Sun. So which way is it?
Thanks for your help.
Very Happy
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Pete



Joined: 29 Apr 2004
Posts: 301
Location: Kinnelon, New Jersey, USA

Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi again Smile
as I understand Lilliy's tortured parse on page 126 of C.A., the translating planet needs to be in the dignity, triplicity or terms of both the planets to whom he is translating light. To be in the dignities of just one of them isn't enough to make it work. The same applies to Collection of Light, where the heavier, collecting planet needs to be in one of the major dignities of the other two.
I could be reading Lilly dead wrong ( it's not that difficult to do! ) and if I am then I hope some kind soul will jump in and say so Smile

Cheers...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Taurus7



Joined: 23 Oct 2003
Posts: 568

Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
To be in the dignities of just one of them isn't enough to make it work

It would be interesting to find out if Lilly followed this rule in the examples that he has in CA....
Thanks for your help in this Pete.
Very Happy
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Forum Index -> Horary & Electional Astrology All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
. Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group

       
Contact Deborah Houlding  | terms and conditions  
All rights on all text and images reserved. Reproduction by any means is not permitted without the express
agreement of Deborah Houlding or in the case of articles by guest astrologers, the copyright owner indictated