Full and empty degrees 1 by Vindex I found Firmicus work called "Ancient astrology" - i think it was compilation from some author. Firmicus says that every sign has empty and full degrees. AC, Sun, Moon and 5 planets are only counting. He furthermore says that person who has one planet on full degree is mediocrity, those with two has average happy, with third "beyond average happy" , and 4 "royal happines" He concludes "human is not given 5 star happiness" Is there any confirmation for that subject from your experiance ? As long as you remember me I ll never be too far Quote Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:43 am
2 by sasha_i Hi, I think that when Firmicus talks about full degrees, he is talking about those degrees in which can be found fixed stars (but I think that not any kind of stars, only relatively important stars). So considering this, due to the slow movement of the stars, empty and full degrees are different now. If we take these full degrees as degrees with fixed stars, of course if Sun, Moon, Asc, or planets are found in these degrees, this becomes important Quote Sun Apr 12, 2009 7:43 pm
3 by hiimnotcool He lists what the degrees are in the book. Sign Degrees Full / empty Name Aries 0?-2?59' empty 3?-7?59' full Senator 8?-16?59' empty 17?-20?59' full Senacher 21?-25?' empty 26?-29?' full Sentacher Taurus 0?-2?' empty 3?-9?' full Suo 10?-11?' empty 12?-19?' full Aryo 20?-24?' empty 25?-29?' full Romanae Gemini 0?-6?' full Thesogar 7?-8?' empty 9?-13?' full Ver 14?-16?' empty 17?-22?' full Tepis 23?-29?' empty Cancer 0?-6?' empty 7?-12?' full Sothis 13?-14?' empty 15?-18?' full Sith 19?-20?' empty 21?-29?' full Thiumis additional? [3] empty Leo 0?-6?' full Craumonis 7?-10?' empty 11?-13?' full Sic 14?-19?' empty 20?-29?' full Futile Virgo 0?-4?' empty 5?-9?' full Thumis 10?-11?' empty 12?-17?' full Tophicus 18?-23?' empty 24?-27?' full Afut 28?-29?' empty additional? [4] empty Libra 0?-4?' full Seuichut 5?-10?' empty 11?-18?' full Sepisent 19?-21?' empty 22?-27?' full Senta 28?-29?' empty Scorpio 0?-2?' empty 3?-7?' full Sentacer 8?-13?' empty 14?-19?' full Tepisen 20?-21?' empty 22?-26?' full Sentineu 27?-29?' empty Sagittarius 0?-8?' full Eregbuo 9?-11?' empty 12?-18?' full Sagon 19?-22?' empty 23?-29?' full Chenene Capricorn 0?-6?' empty 7?-9?' full Themeso 10?-14?' empty 15?-18?' full Epiemu 19?-23?' empty 24?-29?' full Omot Aquarius 0?-3?' empty 4?-8?' full Oro 9?-12?' empty 13?-18?' full Cratero 19?-21?' empty 22?-29?' full Tepis Pisces 0?-5?' empty 6?-11?' full Acha 12?-14?' empty 15?-19?' full Tepibui 20?-25?' empty 26?-27?' full Uiu 28?-29?' empty With that said, I have four. I don't have royal happiness. Quote Wed Apr 22, 2009 3:08 am
4 by PFN I have all my planets and AC in full degrees. Probably will rule the world muahahahaha... Ok, now, if this is a serious theory, there should be more material and a consistent approach to how it actually works. Last edited by PFN on Sat May 22, 2010 6:14 pm, edited 1 time in total. Quote Wed Apr 22, 2009 11:04 am
Re: Full and empty degrees 5 by daz madrigal Vindex wrote:I found Firmicus work called "Ancient astrology" - i think it was compilation from some author. Firmicus says that every sign has empty and full degrees. AC, Sun, Moon and 5 planets are only counting. He furthermore says that person who has one planet on full degree is mediocrity, those with two has average happy, with third "beyond average happy" , and 4 "royal happines" He concludes "human is not given 5 star happiness" Is there any confirmation for that subject from your experiance ? I have ASC, Sun, Moon and Jup, Mer in full degrees so feel very happy Sadly I have Sat/AC so do not look happy Intriguing. Mad Daz's Place, quiet but never boring http://pinkmelon.proboards82.com/index.cgi Quote Sat May 22, 2010 9:28 am
6 by Mark I have ASC, Sun, Moon and Jup, Mer in full degrees so feel very happy I dont mean to rain on anyones parade but if the full and empty degrees are linked to fixed stars, as Sasha suggests, they will have changed their zodiacal degrees numerous times since Firmicus Maternus compiled (or more likely replicated) this list. Sothis is clearly a reference to the star Sirius. Although in the list its indicated as 7-12 degrees Cancer. Sirius is projected to just over 14 Cancer today. One would obviously expect a much bigger difference in zodiac degrees due to precession. However I am not clear which zodiac Firmicus was using so that might help explain it. Alternatively, it may be linked to the heliacal rising of certain fixed stars. Personally, I think its a bit silly to start delineating this in our charts before we even understand the methodology Firmicus based the full and empty degrees on. Mark As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly Quote Sat May 22, 2010 12:02 pm
7 by petosiris The degrees are related to paranatellonta of specific stars in Egypt around 500 BC to 500 AD. This is obvious from the Sothis decan being the first decan of Cancer in both sidereal and tropical astrology at the time (see book I Apotelesmatics of Hephaistio). Firmicus 7-12 degrees Cancer suggests that Sirius was rising with the 10th degree of Cancer. At Rome at the time of Firmicus this is not even close (about 15 degrees away). It is a couple degrees away for Alexandria/Sais in the 4th century and a bit further in the previous centuries. However these degrees could be the precise observations of an Egyptian from Upper Egypt, someone like Hephaistio would likely be seeing the same degrees in Thebes. Just to give an example of what would constitute a full degree I have the ''chart'' of George W. Bush who has the ascendant and Mercury in full degree Sothis. https://imgur.com/a/xhQye This does not help solve the ''twins problem'', but it does bring further differentiation of the 360000 people born each day. Someone with a similar chart is likely to not have Sirius rising. All Egyptian decans are based on the co-risings of certain stars and not their ecliptic projection. It is a most unreasonable suggestion to pick what Hephaistio or Teucer said about ''decan x'' during the 1st century for the Mediterranean region and apply it to all charts everywhere. Carefully examine precession and parallels. However, scholars should note that the degrees are 100% Egyptian. Quote Tue Jan 23, 2018 7:01 pm