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Xanny



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Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2009 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will have to get back to you on that amzolt as it's late here in UK. Appreciate you sharing your ideas, thank you Thumbs up
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think his illness was more complicated because he was shot in the chest during the civil war. With permanent lung damage he might have been lucky to have lived as long as he did. I also remember reading one of his comments where he talks about how long lived and healthy he might have been if he had not been so immoderate in his lifestyle. Iím sorry I canít remember where I read that but Iím sure the quote made reference to his smoking Ė the reason I remember it is because I was a smoker at that time and understood where he was coming from. Iíll try and find the reference later and add it in if I can.
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I canít remember where I read that but Iím sure the quote made reference to his smoking Ė the reason I remember it is because I was a smoker at that time and understood where he was coming from.


I didn't know that. I wish I had. Our Association recently organised a workshop run with the noted Culpeper expert Graeme Tobyn. He is a smoker himself and we could have teased him about this. Wink

I haven't read Culpeper that extensively but when I have dipped in I have enjoyed his writing. I love his eccentric, humour. Now I have learned a bit more on medical astrology from Graeme Tobyn I will hopefully be able to re-read him with more insight into the topic.

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I remember it is because I was a smoker at that time

So you are going clean these days? Good for you. The only thing I regret about being a non-smoker is all those interesting chats that seem to happen outside conferences/workshops. I always feel I am missing out on all the really juicy info Very Happy.
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stopped smoking on 7th December 2007. Graeme's book 'Culpeper's Medicine' was a major motivation actually, because it lays out the steps to good health and number one is have a good quality air.

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You can dip a little toe in the water with one of this month's updates:

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/astrodiscourse.html - quite a thoughtful piece of work.
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You can dip a little toe in the water with one of this month's updates:


Great transcription and annotations.

This article appeared (unattributed) as an appendix in Simmonite's Arcana of Astrology (1890).

Now I know who wrote it. Thank you!
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Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew wrote:
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You can dip a little toe in the water with one of this month's updates:


Great transcription and annotations.

This article appeared (unattributed) as an appendix in Simmonite's Arcana of Astrology (1890).

Now I know who wrote it. Thank you!


This is interesting:
Culpeper's Discourse wrote:
Virtue Procreative
The first in order is the Virtue Procreative: for nature regards not only the conservation of
itself, but to beget its like, and conserve in Species.
The seat of this is the Member of Generation, and is governed principally by the influence of
Venus. It is augmented and increased by the strength of Venus, by her Herbs, Roots, Trees,
Minerals, &c. It is diminished and purged by those of Mars, and quite extinguished by those of
Saturn. Observe the hour and Medicines of Venus, to fortify; of Mars, to cleanse this virtue; of
Saturn, to extinguish it.
If I've understood this well, the reproduction organs are meant. It is interesting, for what I usually read is that in such matters Venus is said to be related to female and Mars to male. However here Mars is said to have a negative influence and the gender distinction isn't made.

The book of Simmonite is on the internet
http://books.google.nl/books?id=dYGaQ5JkS58C&pg=PT119&lpg=PT119&dq=%22virtue+procreative%22+simmonite&source=bl&ots=hGj6881n_L&sig=JZrcbRxQ-Vc7StYJCfsG_TQ5OoQ&hl=en&ei=PwH2SZmaI4Sz-QbFt7W8Dw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#PPA2,M1'
The Culpeper part is attributed to a certain 'John Story'. Apart from the fact that the original source wasn't mentioned it is interesting to see how traditional work was passed though like this.
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Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2009 8:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would be surprised if this discourse was not reproduced or translated from an earlier work, although Iím guessing here.

The point about the Ďmember of generationí is interesting. I wonder if, by the term Member of Generation, he specifically means the womb rather than the reproductive organs as a whole. I think so, but Iím not sure. It will be good to get some other opinions on this.
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We'll try to be delicate about this:

I think he is referring to the reproductive organ of the male. I am of this opinion because the the descriptive adjectives used:

"augmented," "increased," "strength," are on the positive side. "Diminished," "purged," and "extinguished" are on the negative side. Maybe it's just my male worldview, but that sounds like the masculine side of things to me, not the womb.

Venus is a bit puzzling, but she is often associated with sex and Mars with energy or the lack of. Also if we want to prepare the male to generate, we do so with Venus things, not Mars things. He's already Mars.

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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have some vague recollection of ruling that idea out, so I re-read the document. Now I can't understand why that idea never even occured to me ! Smile

Thanks Tom
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

At the sudden all these interesting subjects pop up but I don't have much time now. About a month ago I found several things that gave me the impression (I found it a bit difficult to understand the texts) that Venus ruled both male and female reproductive organs. I hope to have more time after a week or so to comment on this.
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Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2009 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apart from in his Discourse, I also found several issues in Culpeper's 'Astrological Judgement of Diseases from the Decumbiture of the Sick'. P.84 for example:"Mars rules in the body of men the gall, the Reins, the Veins, the Secrets.... and "Venus rules the womb, testicles, yard and all the instruments of generation,.." p.87. "Under Scorpio are the secrets of both sexes; it's not very fitting for me to name them;.."
http://books.google.nl/books?id=dV40F_1e8WcC&pg=PA84&dq=%22nicholas+culpeper%22+generation+secret&lr=

So it seems that Venus rules both male and female reproductive organs. The negative effects of Mars and Saturn mentioned in the Discourse would therefore count for men and women as well.
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