Answer to Horary test 2 1 by yuzuru This is the answer to "Horary Test 2 - Will I get a job". The thread with the question and the chart is in http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4411 If you don?t want to know the answer, read no further. Please, do not put the answer of the horary in the previous thread. If you want to put any comments, make in this same post. First of all, thanks to all who bothered to try the test. I hope it was a enjoyable learning experience. Answer: I got the job A few days after the phone call from my colleague, I went to his university to met her. She was very helpful and guided me through three interviews with coordinators from different areas, so I get the necessary hours to start giving classes. But the quality of the work wasn?t good. Although I was very happy with the new job, reality quickly sink in. Students were of very poor quality, some almost illiterate, lazy and with bad temperament. Lies, cheats and conflicts with students were a constant. Management and academic coordination was less than professional. To give an example, I got three courses, and none of them had a syllabus! I one case I had to invent one, in other I got the "syllabus", made in a hurry, 15 minutes before I started giving classes! I was promised a contract and the contract never came. After the semester, I had no contract and wasn?t invited to give the course again. I only got payed in December, when I was convinced that I had been stolen. The money was below average also. So, overall it really wasn?t a pleasurable experience with this particular job. Best regards to everybody Meu blog de astrologia (em portugues) http://yuzuru.wordpress.com My blog of astrology (in english) http://episthemologie.wordpress.com Quote Sat May 30, 2009 3:04 pm
2 by mattG Thanks for giving us the answer. It was a good chart to practise on. Matthew Quote Sat May 30, 2009 3:18 pm
4 by yuzuru I would like to add some comments: To me this is a particular difficult horary, mainly because the main significators are separating in this chart. When I read this chart for the first time, I judged that I had a shot, but I wasn?t too confident. Even because, when we read our own charts, we usually try too hard to give a positive answer! So I usually take a more conservative view. About the 7th house, we see there a very strong mars. I have read many times that the 7th is the competition from the job. But in this chart and in another that Steven Birchfield posted in this forum, we can see that this is not always true. In his chart, Steven had a very dignified Jupiter in Sagittarius in the 7th house, and he also got the job. Other possibility, as posted by Leopoet is that the 7th is the colleague. Not many people talked about what would be the condition of the future job, if taken, but Amelia was spot on: it appears that Venus's last aspect is a conjunction with Saturn in 10th - maybe the post is more of a burden than an opportunity for you It sure was the case. MarcosP tried a little timing: "So I reckon about 11 weeks - 4 months, i.e. late September-October 2007 is when you started." I don?t remember exactly, but I think I received an answer around one week later, and over here the classes started in august. Congratulations to all participants, and best regards to all Last edited by yuzuru on Sun May 31, 2009 2:20 am, edited 1 time in total. Meu blog de astrologia (em portugues) http://yuzuru.wordpress.com My blog of astrology (in english) http://episthemologie.wordpress.com Quote Sat May 30, 2009 3:28 pm
5 by PFN Actually, I was suspicious about the quality of the job when I saw that it could be represented by Saturn (alongside the Sun). I said that Saturn could represent the "empty space" left by the former worker or, in a less subjectivity way, the charge you would have. Also, we see in the delay of the payment the reason for the retrograde Jupiter... Very good test indeed, and the radicality of the chart helped a lot in my opinion. Quote Sat May 30, 2009 7:43 pm
6 by aglaya Wow, finally! Now, may I just say- it wasn't only the chart that was tricky in this case- the answer is quite tricky as well! (And I'm not saying this because I belong to the minorty who guessed it was a NO ). Do you think that the fact that there were no applying aspects has had anything to do with the fact that, in the end- you never did sign any papers (contract- formalities) ? The lack of formal employment could also be the result of the retrograde Mercury inside the 9th! But I was right about the retrograde Jupiter. So, what would you say, yuzuru about the 9th Sun? Quote Sat May 30, 2009 8:31 pm
Horary Fun! 7 by Leo-Poet Dear yuzuru and test participants: I just want to say how much I enjoyed doing the 'test.' It really stretched me. I've been working a lot on consolidating my understanding of horary symbolism--and doing this test helped me. Also, when I did my original write-up on the chart, I had several comments about problems with students. Then I had one of those "no, that's too off-the-wall" moments of self-doubt, and I deleted them. Now that I've seen the answer, I wish I hadn't!! There's a fine line between being prudent and undermining your own insights, I guess. Thanks again! LP Quote Sat May 30, 2009 8:46 pm
8 by yuzuru Do you think that the fact that there were no applying aspects has had anything to do with the fact that, in the end- you never did sign any papers (contract- formalities) ? The lack of formal employment could also be the result of the retrograde Mercury inside the 9th! Hi, Aglaya I don?t like to comment things in hindsight, because after a time "everything fits". But surely it is a possibility. PFN and Leopoet glad you enjoyed Meu blog de astrologia (em portugues) http://yuzuru.wordpress.com My blog of astrology (in english) http://episthemologie.wordpress.com Quote Sat May 30, 2009 8:57 pm
9 by Ficina Yuzuru wrote:To me this is a particular difficult horary, mainly because the main significators are separating in this chart. I agree but it's interesting to note that L1 and L6 are in a mutually applying trine. When I mentioned this chart to a friend of mine, she immediately said, "yes", because she uses the 6th house for this type of job question. I pointed out that 'traditionalists' use the 10th house, yet she got the correct answer in a very simple and straightforward manner! I guess it's just another instance of more than one road leading to Rome, as is so often the case with predictive astrology. Quote Sun May 31, 2009 9:20 am
10 by yuzuru Hi, Steven to anybody interested, the chart that we and steven are discussing is this: Will I get the Job? 1 Mar 2007 AD GC 9:42:39 AM CET -01:00:00 Brumunddal, Norway 10e56'00 60n53'00 Ascendant: 21? Gemini 17' 54" Midheaven: 28? Capricorn 16' 12" Moon: 11? Leo 06' 16" You can find the discussion in http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic ... c&start=15 Yes, the two charts are very different. But I though it was interesting to show that the concept of the "7th house is competition" is not really marked on stone. In both charts we have very strong planets in the 7th, in their domiciles, angular, etc, and it didn?t represent an enemy. In fact, I believe that in both cases we didn?t really have competition for the jobs, and it didn?t cross our minds to ask about it. But very interesting interpretation as always. I would like to use Mashalah more often, but there is some things in him that I sincerely can?t make it work. Meu blog de astrologia (em portugues) http://yuzuru.wordpress.com My blog of astrology (in english) http://episthemologie.wordpress.com Quote Sun May 31, 2009 6:08 pm
11 by yuzuru Hi, Ficina The discussion about using the 10th or the 6th is always coming and going, so I rather refer people to other places where this has been already discussed. As a mystery chart, my philosophy is that everybody use their own technique. You want to use neptune as the ruler of pisces ? Fine by me. But, as I said before, good techniques can fail and bad techniques can succeed. I am not saying that you shouldn?t use the 6th ruler as the job, I am saying that one horary is hardly any proof at all. As you said, there is multiple ways to skin a cat. If you read again all the thread, you will see that some people tought of jupiter as the general significator of knowledge and university, other people used jupiter as the exaltation ruler of the 10th, and others simply as the great benefic. To use jupiter as the ruler of 6th is the way that some people used also, but is not the only one that came to the right conclusion. Meu blog de astrologia (em portugues) http://yuzuru.wordpress.com My blog of astrology (in english) http://episthemologie.wordpress.com Quote Sun May 31, 2009 6:13 pm
12 by Adam Hello to all! I have serious doubts about Jupiter being able to complete this matter on it's own (a cadent retrograde planet can indeed complete the matter, but destroys it in the end just as happened here but still...), when perhaps almost the rest of the chart stands for a "no". In such a case then, a single worn-down benefic could perfect almost anything. This has very little sense for me, because then we shouldn't/musn't be observing other factors; I see a benefic no matter how impeded he/she is, and say: "yes" despite the fact that other indications might suggest a "no". While this chart was indeed ambiguous, it was rather for a no, and so that this Jupiter could perfect the matter is more than puzzling, at least to me (perhaps the Moon could shed some light on her own to this matter). Quote Mon Jun 01, 2009 5:41 am