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4 doorz



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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:59 am    Post subject: A relationship chart causing distress Reply with quote

I did a chart 2 weeks ago about a very important issue in my life at the moment and have been studying it since, but I still can't understand all the aspects and was interested in getting some feedback.

Question: Will I have a relation with x.
10.05pm 23 June 2004 Brisbane, Aust.



The aspects which I'm having trouble are the Uranus/Jupiter(moon) and Uranus/Venus/Jupiter(moon) aspects. - In my chart jupiter and moon are cojunct.

I am also curious to the nature of jupiter being in it's detriment (as the rest of the chart seems pretty positive) and the interpretations that could be drawn from it.
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 12:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will add what I have come up with so far in an attempt to show I have been trying Tongue Out

To me the chart shows that with 1st and 7th house rulers in good relationship and with positive aspects with 11th and 5th house rulers that there would be a positive relationship of that nature akin to the characteristics of these houses. There must also be some significance with saturn being in cancer but I hate to think what I would mean.

From what I have read, Uranus is wild, unconventional and unexpecting. It is in opposition with jupiter (if this is a valid interpretation - already I have been pretty depressed with the nature of our relationship - mainly the frequency of communication - would this have anything to do with uranus square venus (3rd house ruler) which is square to jupiter???

If anyone could clear up the uranus/venus/querant aspect I'd be so appreciative as it's sort of distressing at the moment.

Steve

If it adds any light I'm pisces and she is sagitarius.... Mad
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The chart looks very valid and significant. The angularity, emplacement and application between the main significators shows a mutual inclination and therefore the real possibility of a relationship developing. The strength and dignity of the significators and the other aspects involved describe the situation in more detail and what you might expect to happen if this situation is pursued. Uranus rising and receiving the opposition of the Moon shows a lack of stability. Some people might see that as exciting but in reality a volatile relationship causes a great deal of stress and emotional disturbance. Erratic communication and broken commitments are just one manifestation you might expect when Mercury (the quesited) is trine Uranus and Jupiter (querent) and the Moon (events in general) are in opposition to Uranus.

Jupiter is in detriment, in the house of the quesited and disposited by it. I think this describes you as having little control over this situation, responding to events rather than being able to create the circumstances that would be best for you. Mercury is combust, peregrine and applying to Saturn. This describes Miss X (boy she gets around a bit!) as rather tied, unable to express herself with confidence, or in a poor position to develop the relationship fully, possibly oppressed with other issues. Still, there appears to be a very strong attraction and the mutual reception between Mercury and Jupiter by exaltation, and the Moon and Mercury by sign makes it appear likely that the emotional pull is not easily ignored.

You have two choices. You can either accept that this horary is warning you about a relationship that is full of attraction but laden with restlessness, stress and emotional disturbance, pull yourself back from it a little and evaluate why that is and whether it is worth re-assessing your approach at this stage to see if you can gain more control and stability (ie., by recognising that you are responding to the situation yourself in a somewhat excitable and irrational way); or you can go with the natural flow of this with your eyes open to the fact that this is unlikely to unfold through peaceful contentment and emotional fulfilment. That’s not to say it won’t work out in the long run, but you should expect the experience to be full of what we might term ‘opportunities for character development’.
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi there,

I would like to look at this Horary - would you mind telling me whether you are male or female? Thank you very much.
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't help but tease a bit, horary queen... Cool

every once in a while a girl named stephanie will go by the name steve, but in this case I'm pretty certain that this is a male steve... Smile (he's posted a bit over time)

see sig on his second post. Shocked
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deb wrote:
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That’s not to say it won’t work out in the long run,


Can we look at the 4th house for "the end of the matter" from this chart, or is that a separate Horary? Because frankly, after seeing the obvious attraction between the two parties involved,and Jupiter with fixed star Zosma(pardon my current fixed star obsession) I couldn't resist "peeking" ahead and see how this would turn out...R4 Merc combust Sun, as Deb pointed out-- I read that as not so good; am I on the right track here?
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sticking my neck in the yoke - trying to take control of the situation and make use of the "Saturn Trine Mercury exact at 00:23" interpretation" I got off astro.com and embrace the "opportunities for character development" Deb alluded to (there is a disclaimer somewhere indemnifying you Deb Thumbs up ). Instead of being morose (?) in hanging round home asking her on dates....I'll just arrange them -> I'm sure the potential outcome with amuse many given she is sagittarius Leery
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 5:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's all over folks...crash 'n' burn. I messaged Kaz that I'd drop by friday lunchtime as she was going partying thursday night. Received a text message at 3.00am saying she is unavailable for rest of holidays as she has met a guy. Now I have the rest of the holidays to get over it. crying

Thanks to all the help you guys gave with the original chart, it was a big eye opener for my biased approach. It will be interesting to see if maybe things will happen after this guy [maybe] doesn't work out - there's always hope. Maybe I'll do another chart when I'm not so knocked-out.

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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi there,

I'm not happy - I just submitted a huge reply and it's disappeared - hope it hasn't gone direct to 'your woman'!! Very Happy

Anyway, the gist of it was that I am surprised she has met someone else - I see NO indication that she has met, will meet, is now with, or is now interested in anyone else.

There is VERY STRONG reception between Moon and Mercury and also between Mercury and Jupiter.

One thing I will say is that you are all about her (With Jupiter and Moon on 7th cusp) and she has you wrapped around her wee pinky (in the words of Rabbie Burns). (Maybe that would be evident since you are still awake at black o'clock though!) Every relationship has it's 'balance of power' and with Venus on her 10th cusp, she has it in this relationship. She knows she's got it going on and the effect this is having on you. Alternatively she may just be very into her career and a bit busy, hence the lack of communication previously.

There is often ambiguity in relationship charts, with power games and love-hate stuff going on. Here we have Moon and Jupiter in the sign of Venus' fall and I think she has disappointed you a lot. You may feel she is leading you a merry dance just to let you down (a.k.a. teasing). Also Venus in the detriment of Jupiter shows the harm her 'womanly wiles' are having on your rational side. However, deep down I see a lot of meaningful interaction between you - this merry dance is just a self-preservation mechanism and she wants to retain her power.

The only negative thing I see is Mercury is combust of the Sun and is separating from him. The Sun as natural significator of Man shows the primal 'cave man' kind of side to you and also the ego. Your ego is very self interested in this chart and perhaps there is an air of 'Tarzan wants Jane right now' from which her rational side is perhaps running away feeling a little overpowered. As Mercury separates further this influence will lessen.

The next aspect is a sextile from the Moon to Mercury and with brilliant reception and this would be within the next week. The only negative slant which could be added to this aspect is that it might be seen as a translation of light from the Sun to Mercury, showing you trying to speed things up with her. This may be the communication you have just had from her (saying she's with someone else) and the timing could be out.

Anyway, the longer term aspects coming up look very good as there is nothing but positive receptions between them.

Also I see her significators have no essential dignity and since she feels very strongly about you she may just feel a bit powerless and scared. Both her significators are shortly going to gain strength though and she may feel more in a position to embark on a relationship then.

So just be cool and hang in there. Give her space and don't rush things. Remember she seems to have very strong feelings for you and I don't believe she is with someone else. Confused Try to keep Tarzan under control and gently allow your more civilised natures to meet through time.

Oh, and GET SOME SLEEP - otherwise you will look like sh!t when you do see her!

All the best - keep me informed and feel free to come back with any questions about this (but not a new horary chart like I see you have just done!).
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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Anyway, the gist of it was that I am surprised she has met someone else - I see NO indication that she has met, will meet, is now with, or is now interested in anyone else.

Well, actually, if you take another look at the chart, Mercury first sextiles Jupiter but then conjuncts Saturn. Saturn is located in the radical 5th but is also the ruler of her turned 5th. Seems like a party with sex on the side...........oh, that must hurt, 4Doorz. Is this an older guy that she's with?? I think he might even be a friend she knew from before (located in her turned 11th house of friends).
Don't feel so bad, there's plenty other fish in the water...Deb gave you fair warning about the instability of this one.


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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HoraryQueen wrote:
Anyway, the gist of it was that I am surprised she has met someone else - I see NO indication that she has met, will meet, is now with, or is now interested in anyone else.


This chart was drawn on 23 June - would it still have taken into account other guys she would/could potentially meet in near future (8 July)?

HoraryQueen wrote:
Alternatively she may just be very into her career and a bit busy, hence the lack of communication previously.

No career pressing at the moment, she's not working during all holidays - the limiting factor was my roster Confused

HoraryQueen wrote:

Anyway, the longer term aspects coming up look very good as there is nothing but positive receptions between them.

Does this have any relation to considering the type of house (angular, suceedent, cadent) to predict time frame of the events? Would you use the angularity of the 1st & 7th (which are cadent -> slower long-term to not-at-all relationship, or would it be the planets involved and their nature which is more important? What if it's all over now (after 3 dates).

BTW, thank you for your help horaryqueen Thumbs up
I am interested in the point pat557 started - and seeing how it fits. Does "the end of the matter" in this case mean the end of the relationship?
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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

taurus7 wrote:
Well, actually, if you take another look at the chart, Mercury first sextiles Jupiter but then conjuncts Saturn. Saturn is located in the radical 5th but is also the ruler of her turned 5th. Seems like she's partying and having some good sex right now...........oh, that must hurt, 4Doorz. Is this an older guy that she's with??


Hhmm...well she didn't know any of guys at the party she was going to. Do sagittariuses commit so easy? Confused Is it right that you are inducing that from first chart (and that I shouldn't have drawn the 2nd chart?) Fully overlooked that aspect taurus7! Sad

Yes, Deb did give very fair warning.
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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The lingering concern I had after posting my earlier comment, was that I hadn’t put enough onus on Uranus, which is so powerful on the ascendant, and receiving the opposition of the Moon. The essential quality of Uranus is separation, which is why it can be taken as a natural significator for divorce – things don’t ‘bind together’ under its influence. This recent ‘blow-out’ seems to be Moon-opp-Uranus in operation. It is very quickly followed up by a more helpful sextile between the Moon and Mercury, so hopefully the shock won’t hit you too hard and you can start to create a more friendly and relaxed attitude towards each other. I don’t want to be offering false hope though, taken as a whole this horary is showing basic compatibility but in my opinion all the promise indicated by the main significators is capable of being blighted by Uranus.

Uranus usually expresses itself quickly and its revelation of reality is shocking to the nervous system. But at least now you know what you are dealing with. (I’d rather have a hard Uranus aspect than a soft Neptune aspect anyday). You were very brave to take the risk and deal with this. I don’t think it’s wise to ask a second question just yet – because you have to give yourself time to accept the revelation implicit in the first. There is this need to establish equal footing which horaryqueen refers to, and the only way you can get yourself back into balance is to do some rejection of the relationship yourself. She is seeing someone else and has been made aware of your feelings, so unless something changes there’s nothing you can do and no point in dwelling on it. I can fully appreciate how hard it is, but I think you should give yourself some time to let your emotions settle.
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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Deb"]
Mercury is combust, peregrine and applying to Saturn.

This has been a great instructional horary for someone like me, who is just beginning to learn horary. The only thing I can't get my mind around is why is Mercury peregrine? I see that horary and traditional astrology have different rules about this than I'm familiar with, but I can't find the exact criteria that makes it so. Could someone point me in the right direction on this site or just spell it out for me? I thought planets in mutual reception were not peregrine? Not that I really know what being peregrine means to the chart, Confused

Thanks so much,
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