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Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 2:35 pm    Post subject: Is the Lot of Basis underestimated? Reply with quote

I have recently become interested in the lots (or arabic parts) and delineation of the lot of basis is proving to be very revealing about the course of life. The diagram below illustrates the intrinsic relationship of the lot of Basis with the other major significators:



The lot of basis is the shortest arc between the lot of spirit and the lot of fortune projected from the Ascendant and is said to be a "pillar of the horoscope" as it can only be below the Asc/Desc axis. It has also been called "the security of the Ascendant" which appears to suggest ones physical well being/security.
Example of calculating the lot of basis: If fortune is at 20 Scorpio and Spirit is at 20 Sagittarius, the shortest arc between the two lots is 30 degrees. Assume an Ascendant of 15 Cancer. Add 30 degrees to this and the lot falls at 15 Leo/2nd house (whole sign houses are used).

The following is considered:
1. Any planet(s) with the lot, the essential nature of the planet, its dignity/debility and the houses it rules.
2. The ruler of the lot, its condition (dignity, house, etc). Planet(s) in the same sign as the ruler, the houses these planets rule.
3. The ruler of the ruler of the lot.
4. Position of the ruler relative to the lot of Fortune (with Fortune, 10 signs from Fortune and 8th from Fortune are most important).
5. Aspects within a 3 degree orb are very important, especially harsh aspects involving the malefics.
6. House and sign position of the lot. Influence is less clear in the examples I have seen. It is supposedly better to have the lot angular for fame/eminence. Regarding sign position, the native may have some characteristics associated with the sign but this could be due to the lot of Basis also being the lot of Eros (desires) as explained by Robert Schmidt in a post down the thread.

Example 1:

John F. Kennedy was in very poor health all through his life and was given the last rites on 3 separate occasions before his assassination in 1963. His ailments are discussed in detail here: http://www.doctorzebra.com/prez/g35.htm



Fortune is in Aquarius, Spirit is in Cancer. The lot of Basis is in Aries.
The ruler of the lot of basis is Mars in the 8th sign from the Ascendant. As the ruler of basis is debilitated in the sign of death for the Ascendant (8th), health throughout life was very poor and ended with a violent death. Moon/Virgo/12th separates from Venus (Ascendant ruler) and applies to Mars. Mars is conjunct Mercury (12th and 9th ruler, also lord of Venus and both lights) and Jupiter (ruler of 3rd and 6th of illness).

Example 2: George W. Bush.

Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bush,_George_W.

Fortune is in Scorpio, Spirit is in Taurus and the Lot of Basis is in Aquarius/7th. Saturn/Cancer/12th is not a good placement for Bush (but the other lots do confirm eminence) and is consistent with him being an alcoholic (and probable drug user) up to the age of 40 when he "found God". The "saving grace" for Bush is the ruler of Saturn/Cancer being Moon/Libra conjunct the greater benefic Jupiter within 3 degrees.
The path to the presidency and events during his 8 year term have lots of Saturn/Cancer signatures.
Bush was first elected governor of Texas in 1994 after defeating incumbent Ann Richards. Karl Rove (a Cancer Moon), Bush's chief political strategist is believed to have spread a rumour that Ann Richards had appointed many Lesbians to positions and that "Lesbians are taking over the government in Texas". Saturn/Cancer appeals to the fears of conservative voters. A similar (effective) tactic was applied in the South Carolina primary when Bush was in danger of losing to McCain for the 2000 GOP nomination (McCain was (falsely) said to have fathered a "black love-child").
Bush ran in 2000 as a "compassionate conservative". Cancer is conservative but compassion is anathema to Saturn and events during his presidency would show this.
Saturn/Cancer-like events during the Bush presidency:
9/11 attacks: Saturn/Cancer is the exalted ruler of the IC (the homeland) and ruler of the 7th of open enemies. Saturn/Cancer is fearful and terror is extreme fear. The attack on the homeland killing almost 3,000 people changed the course of Bush's presidency and resulted in "the war on terror". Controversies over harsh treatment of enemies (waterboarding, Guantanamo Bay, Abu-Gharaib etc) raged for the latter half of Bush's term.
Hurricane Katrina was another turning point for Bush. Saturn/Cancer is consistent with a major flood due to breach of levees. Bush was accused of being indifferent to to the plight of the victims and of a slow response to the crisis.
He left office with record low approval ratings.

Example 3: Kurt Cobain

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Cobain,_Kurt

Lot of Fortune in Taurus, Lot of spirit in Aquarius. The Lot of Basis is in Sagittarius/4th. The ruler of the lot is Jupiter/Cancer/retrograde with the sect light the Moon. Despite the ruler of the lot being exalted in a very good house (11th), the basis is problematic for Cobain because of the 1st/8th relationship between the lot and its ruler.
Cancer is the sign associated with the stomach and according to the biography "He suffered chronic undiagnosed stomach pains that he believed were relieved by his heroin use. For years, he had a mysterious stomach ailment, a burning nauseous pain in his upper abdominal cavity. The distress was inexplicable and elusive to diagnosis, at times causing him to curl up in misery for days."
In addition, Jupiter/Cancer with the Moon is delineated as the need for emotional highs and consequent extreme mood swings. The biography concludes with "Seattle Police believe Cobain died of a self-inflicted shotgun wound to the head in the afternoon or evening of 4/05/1994. He left a one-page note written with a red ball point pen addressing his unhappiness, "I have felt guilty for so many years...the worst crime is faking it. I don't have any passion any more." His addictions, discomfort with celebrity status, domestic disputes and his own personal demons of anguish were made public when his body was found 4/08/1994 by an electrician contracted to install a burglar alarm in the Cobain's Seattle home. Cobain's suicide death shocked the nation and highlighted the heroin drug problem in the music industry." The ruler of Spirit Saturn/Pisces/7th conjunct Mercury in fall undermines the mental faculties (emotional turmoil, suicidal thoughts etc).

Example 4: J. Edgar Hoover.
(Data rated XX on Astrodatabank due to some conspiracy theories but the chart for 7.30am on January 1st 1895 looks good. I've slightly rectified it to 7.33am. Started work in Department of Justice on July 26th 1917 - tNN 9CP28 cnj Asc, tSaturn 4LE00 square MC. Seattle general strike begins on January 21st 1919 sparking the "red scare" which Hoover would be centrally involved in: tNN 10SA39 square POF. Kennedy assassinated, November 22nd 1963, tSN 11CP54 cnj Asc).



Lot of Fortune in Pisces, Lot of Spirit in Scorpio. Lot of Basis in Taurus.
Hoover maintained his position as FBI director for 48 years under 8 different Presidents some of whom wanted him out: Presidents Harry Truman, John F. Kennedy, and Lyndon B. Johnson each considered dismissing Hoover as FBI Director.

Lot of Basis in a fixed earth sign gave Hoover great longevity in his career.
Mars/Taurus ruled by Venus/Capricorn in the Ascendent shows the manner in which Hoover preserved his career - so called "gentle blackmail" of politicians, much of it sexual in nature, where Hoover would let a politician know as his "friend" that the FBI was aware of this embarassing episode but that they would keep it confidential, thereby keeping the politician on good terms with Hoover and the FBI.
Hoover himself was also the target of sex smears and was proactive (Mars in Basis) in quashing such rumours.

Mars/Taurus (anti-capitalism) rules Saturn/Scorpio (paranoia over national security) and Hoover's fervent anticommunism was the cause of the era known as McCarthyism (McCarthy is believed to have been fed all his scaremongering information by Hoover).

The ruler of the lot, Venus/Capricorn is very strong: In the Ascendant, in the 11th sign from the lot of Fortune and in her own bounds. Positive aspects between Uranus and Jupiter or Venus are considered to bestow good luck, especially in the political arena and Hoover's partile Venus sextile Uranus was beneficial.

Example 5: Criminal who commited suicide.

Natal chart:
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Anthony%2C_Ernest_C._Jr.

Lot of Fortune in Cancer, Lot of Spirit in Virgo. Lot of Basis in Libra.
Spirit in Virgo with a Mars/Uranus/Pluto conjunction shows a volatile temper prone to violence. Libra seeks balanced and harmonious relationships but the ruler of the lot, Venus in Scorpio signifies a Jealous and tempestuous love life. Because Mars rules Venus (and Venus applies to Mars by partile sextile), Venus is the "spark" which triggers Mars' rage and violence. This leads to incarceration because the ruler of Mars, Mercury/Capricorn is with 12th ruler (and ruler of Fortune) the Moon in the 6th. Venus opposite Jupiter/10th can also be read as the love life leading to conflict with the law. Delineating suicide is tricky but if to kill is Mars, then Mars should afflict a significator of the native and have dealings with the 4th or 8th houses to indicate he will kill himself. The basis and/or its ruler should also be connected with Mars in a configuration (including dispositor trails) delineated as unfavourable. Mars rules the 4th (end of life) and is partile square the ruler of the Ascendant, Sun/Sagittarius.
In addition, Venus/Scorpio/4th (basis ruler) is the exalted ruler of the 8th of death. He killed himself at the age of 27, a 4th house profection year.

Example 6: Charles Manson (notorious leader of "The Family" involved in the Tate-LaBianca murders of August 1969).

Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Manson,_Charles

The Lot of Fortune is in Cancer and the Lot of Spirit is in Aquarius. The Lot of Basis is in Libra.

Understanding of this chart would not make sense without a proper delineation of Venus, also ruler of Manson's Ascendant.
Venus/Scorpio is in detriment and quickly approacing a superior conjunction to the Sun within a degree and a half. Manson "mesmerised" his followers, most of them women (Venus as a general significator for women) with liberal sex and drugs. Delineating Venus/Scorpio combust the Sun as Manson attracting and "mesmerising" young women with drugs and liberal sex can also be seen by the ruler Mars/Virgo/5th (rebelling against prudish sexual attitudes/5th house is also the house of partying, casual sex and pregnancy). Mars is also exalted ruler of 9th("God")/MC and Manson led his follwers to believe that he was Jesus. Mercury/Scorpio is in mutual reception with Mars/Virgo and Manson's bizzare interpretations of The book of Revelations and the Beatle's music fueled his "prophecy" of the "Helter Skelter" apocalypse.

The Sun rules the 4th ("The subterranean pivot", end of matter, home) and is exalted ruler of the 12th ("Evil Spirit", imprisonment). Manson (signified by Venus) spent 19 of his first 32 years behind bars and remains in Prison since his conviction for the murders in 1970/1971. The name of the 4th house - "The subterranean pivot" is intersting given Manson's belief in "The hole in the ground" in Death Valley where "The Family" would hide out during the predicted apocalypse.

Jupiter and Mercury are also in Scorpio. Jupiter rules 11th (friends, groups)
and 8th (death) and Mercury rules 2nd and 5th (already delineated above).
Manson's fireside preachings of the "Helter Skelter" prophecy led his group to carry out the Tate-LaBianca murders.

Saturn/Aquarius/10th also ruling the 9th/MC gave Manson gravitas (10th is house of "praxis" or action) as a cult leader. Saturn Aquarius rules Moon/Aquarius with the Moon ruling the 3rd/IC/Part of Fortune. There is a 1st/8th relationship between Cancer/Aquarius and Manson. Delineating Saturn/Aquarius/10th as also being the Government or authorities ties Manson's fortunes unfavourably to the whim of the authorities (i.e, a further indication of being imprisoned by the government).

Example 7: Jayne Mansfield (Sex symbol of 1950's/60's, killed in a car crash in 1967 aged 34).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Mansfield,_Jayne

The lot of Fortune is in Taurus and the lot of Spirit is in Virgo. Basis is found in Scorpio, the 5th place.
Basis in Scorpio ruled by Mars/Virgo/3rd can be delineated as challenging prudish attitudes to sexuality (Like Manson above who also has Mars/Virgo) through mainstream media, T.V and the press (3rd house). 3rd house is called "goddess" and Mansfield was referred to as "Sex queen Jayne Mansfield" (Venus/Aries combust ruling part of Fortune is a clearer indicator of what Mansfield was famous for). Lot of Spirit is in Virgo, so Mansfield maintains her fortune by this manner (i.e her motivation). Jupiter is also in Virgo, ruling 9th/MC (Religion/reputation) and 6th (Illness/accidents). Mansfield's actions were considered to be "anti-god" in the conservative era in which she lived. The ruler of Virgo is Mercury/Aries/10th. There is an unfavourable 1st/8th relationship between Virgo/Aries. Mansfield died at the age of 34 which was an 11th house profection year, therefore the profected Lot of Basis was in Virgo ruled by Mercury/Aries/8th from the lot. Also note that the ruler of the Ascendent in the 8th is 10th from the 11th house Taurus Lot of Fortune (fame marred by sudden (Moon applies to Mars) death).

Death by car accident with her children in the car (who survived): 3rd house is also house of short distance travel, i.e by motor car. Mars (general significator for violence, injury) ruling the lot of basis (and 5th house of children) in 3rd shows her cause of death. 6th lord (illness, accidents) Jupiter is also in Virgo.
(In addition, Lord of the Ascendant (Moon/Aquarius) in 8th with Saturn in domicile does not bode well for longevity.)

Example 8: Ted Bundy (Serial killer).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bundy,_Ted

The Lot of Fortune is in Leo and the lot of Spirit is in Virgo. The lot of Basis is also in Virgo.

Murder on his mind: The ruler of Basis (and Spirit) is Mercury/Scorpio/4th/retrograde (dysfunctional thoughts about violence). Mercury is with Venus (Women, ruler of 10th (Praxis or action) and 3rd (short journeys, travel by motor car, and communications) and Jupiter/Scorpio (ruler of the 5th of sex and pleasure and the 8th of death). Putting it all together, a persuasive or charismatic Bundy bludgeoned women, drove some of his victims to isolated locations, and raped and murdered them. 4th house is "end of matter" and underground (i.e burial) in this case end of women's lives and their subsequent burial by Bundy.

Ruler of Scorpio is Mars in 5th with the Moon (ruler of 12th of "evil spirit") and the Sun (Ascendant ruler). Bundy's main motivation for killing women was because he enjoyed doing it and found it pleasurable.

Example 9: Nicole Brown Simpson (famous murder victim).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Simpson,_Nicole_Brown

The Lot of Fortune is in Libra and The Lot of Spirit is in Cancer. The Lot of Basis is in Gemini.
An important concept necessay for correct delineation in this case is that the 8th sign from the Lot of Fortune is known as the "deadly place" according to Valens as explained here: http://www.astrology-x-files.com/x-files/death-violent.html
In Nicole's case the 8th sign from Fortune is Taurus (the throat) and Mercury (Ruler of Basis/IC and 7th of the partner) and the Sun (ruler of 6th of illness/injury) are present in Taurus. The Sun exactly opposes Jupiter, ruler of the Ascendant and 10th. 7th ruler in "the deadly place" could be delineated as killed by the (marriage) partner.
The ruler of Taurus is Venus/Cancer with Mars/Cancer. Venus culminates with respect to the 8th house Moon and Lot of Fortune, is with Mars and opposed by Saturn by just over 3 degrees. This indicates that her fame comes from a violent death.
Saturn is the out of sect malefic, in domicile, square the sect light within 3 degrees and also afflicts Venus (ruler of the Moon/Fortune/8th). Saturn is also 8th from Basis. The Zodiacal aphesis from Fortune (as explained here: http://www.astrology-x-files.com/x-files/zodiacal-aphesis.html ) in Nicoles case is as follows: Venus governs her first 8 years, Mars the next 15, Jupiter the next 12 and beginning with Saturn at the age of 35. She was killed less than a month after her 35th birthday.

Example 10: Muhammed Ali (famous boxer, struck with Parkinson's disease in his later years).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Ali%2C_Muhammad

The Lot of Fortune is in Leo and The Lot of Spirit is in Virgo with the Lot of Basis.
Moon and Mercury are much concerned with the mental faculties. In Ali's chart they tightly conjunct with Moon (12th ruler) applying to Mercury in Aquarius in the 7th house ("the setting place" - associated with old age) and Mercury applies to Saturn. These indicate a dulling or decline of the mental faculties as he gets older.

More examples follow 12 posts down the thread...................................


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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most people use 3:00 PM for the birth time, which has an A rating. I get a part of basis at 8 Taurus for 3:00 PM and 16 Taurus for 3:39 PM. Would you recheck the formula?


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The result of one's actions couple with events outside the native's control ...


I am intrigued with the Aries placement though, so I hope I'm doing something wrong.

I'm not a grassy knoller. Lee Harvey Oswald did it all by himself. When you read Oswald's life and see how events seemed to conspire to put him in Dallas on Nov 22 1963, the delineation of the lot makes perfect sense. Oswald, perfectly described by Jackie Kennedy after his arrest as "just a crummy little communist" got pushed around by events seemingly on a roundabout course that made his landing in Dallas at the time of Kennedy's visit appear inevitable. Oswald made almost no attempt to gain control of his life. Kennedy of course had no knowledge of Oswald, and therefore could not have prepared for him. For those who think security was lax compared to today, you're correct. However the extensive security around today's presidents is the result of the Kennedy assassination. They weren't as cautious then.

Oswald's lot of basis is 16 Sagittarius ruled by Jupiter Rx at 1 Aries in the 10th disposited by Mars in the 8th ties together his infamy (Rx ruler of the MC and exaltation ruler of the ASC - fame that works against the native) and his own violent death.
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Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2010 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Found my error. 8 Aries is correct for 3:39 chart. However in the 3:00 PM chart the lot falls on 1 Aries - Oswald's Jupiter!
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Tom,

The 3.39pm time (3.39.14pm to be precise) is from the Regulus Astrology book "a rectification manual". As you've pointed out, with either time, the ruler of the lot will be in the 8th.

Your observation about Oswald's basis ruler Jupiter and its placement on Kennedy's basis is interesting and may be an area worth exploring. Something similar may be going on with George W. Bush and his chief political operator Karl Rove (see edited post above).
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a lot of respect for Dr. H and his rectification work, but I can't abide by all of them. For example, I simply cannot see Ronald Reagan as a Capricorn rising. Kennedy's chart set for 3:00 PM seems to work well. But results are what matters not what I can and cannot see.

Re: Oswald. He is not an easy guy to explain and he should be. He was not well educated, he never held more than a menial job, and there were no particular talents that stood out. He had a wildly inflated opinion of himself. I suppose looking at his life the right way from the time he left home until the day of his death was just a long descent into madness. Maybe not all that long. He was only 24 when he died.

I apparently used the wrong formula for Basis for Oswald because I am now showing it at 0 Aquarius 53 in the 8th house (Placidus). Still it fits. It's ruled by Saturn Rx in fall. Saturn is conjunct the malefic south node. Kennedy's lot on Jupiter is still interesting as Jupiter is elevated, the exaltation ruler of the ASC and the domicile ruler of the 10th.

Oswald's death was in one sense due to things beyond his control. Yes if he didn't shoot the President he would not have been in jail and not been shot. But Jack Ruby was standing in line at a Western Union office just before he shot Oswald. Had Oswald not expressed a last minute desire to change his clothes before his transfer to the county jail or had the line at Western Union moved slower or faster, Ruby wouldn't have been able to shoot him. I don't believe we have a reliable chart for Jack Ruby. Furthermore, the pistol used to shoot Oswald was very unlikely to kill with a single shot unless the bullet struck the head or heart. This single bullet managed to hit several vial organs, something that rarely happens. So a few things beyond Oswald's control had to fall into place in order for him to die that day.
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I messed up again. Before I continue to make these mistakes, please tell me if you are reversing the formulae for Spirit and Fortuna in night charts. I have my computer set up not to reverse. I think that is why I get fouled up. In Oswald's chart, if basis cannot fall above the horizon I've obviously made a mistake. But let's get this straight before we continue, so we are both on the same page all the time. Thanks.

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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, the formula for the lot of fortune is reversed for nocturnal births.
The lot of basis is the shortest arc of separation between the lot of spirit and the lot of fortune, e.g if fortune is at 20 Scorpio and Spirit is at 20 Sagittarius, the shortest arc between the two lots is 30 degrees. This 30 degrees is the added to the Ascendant and all delineations done by whole sign houses.
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Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2010 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks I'll check my program to see how if it is reversing or not.

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Edited post to include another example. More to follow...
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In any given chart, the Lot of Basis will be either the Lot of Eros or the Lot of Necessity, so Basis is actually not a separate lot at all. The principle of taking the shorter arc between Fortune and Spirit simply tells us whether Eros or Necessity is favored in a given chart—that is, which of these two is related to the ‘foundation of the native’s fortune’. Since Eros is Spirit’s Lot of Spirit and Necessity is Fortune’s Lot of Fortune, Basis will be one of these two.

The delineations of Eros and Necessity in Book IV of Valens make it fairly clear that in either case we are talking about two subclasses of voluntary action on the part of the native. Eros concerns actions that we want to undertake but do not need to undertake; Necessity, actions we need to undertake but would rather not have to do. Thus, these two lots complement one another. As far as our actions are concerned, Eros has to do with the carrot and Necessity with the stick.

This delineation of Basis as the foundation of fortune is found in Rhetorius’ Tabular Examination. To be more precise, he says that it is the lord of Basis that signifies this. Exactly what this means of course depends on how we are to understand ‘fortune’ here.

In the broadest sense, fortune certainly means that which befalls us and is beyond our control as Stellarum said at the beginning of this thread. However, I have reason to believe that the founders of Hellenistic astrology were of the Middle Platonic tradition. Now, some at least of these Middle Platonists seem to have appropriated the Aristotelean characterization of Fortune as the unintended consequences of our actions. Matters such as these parents, this race, this nationality, this environment, and so forth are clearly beyond our control, but in the framework of the myth of Er at the end of Plato’s Republic, these matters may be seen as the unintended consequences of the soul’s primal choice of a type of life prior to incarnating, such as the life of a tyrant, the life of an athlete, etc.

Yet during the course of our lives we continue to make choices and perform actions, and these choices and actions likewise have their consequences. I believe that the Hellenistic astrological sense of fortune also includes the unintended consequences of our ongoing actions.

Now, the types of actions that we perform out of desire or out of necessity would seem to be the ones that are most likely to have unintended consequences. And the lord of a lot generally indicates the outcome of an issue. Hence Rhetorius’ delineation of Basis.

Eros and Necessity are formed from Fortune and Spirit. Such derivative lots make the meaning of Fortune and Spirit more specific. I see no reason why we cannot form many more derivative lots along the same pattern. For instance, there are two generally noxious lots formed from the two malefics, and both are reversing lots. One is counted from Saturn to Mars by day and the reverse by night; the other is counted from Mars to Saturn by day, and the reverse by night. These two lots will always be symmetrical to each other across the Asc/Dsc axis in the same manner as Fortune and Spirit, and I maintain that they will have complementary meanings in the same way that Fortune and Spirit do.

If we now form two new and more specific complementary lots from these two primary lots by counting the interval from one to the other and projecting it from the Hour-marker, we can likewise determine which of these results from taking the shorter arc. Presumably, this is the derivative lot of a complementary pair that is favored in that chart.

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Robert Schmidt wrote:
In any given chart, the Lot of Basis will be either the Lot of Eros or the Lot of Necessity, so Basis is actually not a separate lot at all. The principle of taking the shorter arc between Fortune and Spirit simply tells us whether Eros or Necessity is favored in a given chart—that is, which of these two is related to the ‘foundation of the native’s fortune’. Since Eros is Spirit’s Lot of Spirit and Necessity is Fortune’s Lot of Fortune, Basis will be one of these two.

The delineations of Eros and Necessity in Book IV of Valens make it fairly clear that in either case we are talking about two subclasses of voluntary action on the part of the native. Eros concerns actions that we want to undertake but do not need to undertake; Necessity, actions we need to undertake but would rather not have to do. Thus, these two lots complement one another. As far as our actions are concerned, Eros has to do with the carrot and Necessity with the stick.

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Explained like this - it seems so obvious now making me wonder how I could have ever missed it.
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Posted: Fri Aug 20, 2010 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the clarification Mr Schmidt.
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Example 11: River Phoenix (American actor, died outside a nightclub of a drug overdose at the age of 23).

Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Phoenix,_River

Lot of Fortune in Leo, Lot of Spirit in Aquarius. The lot of Basis is in Taurus/7th with Saturn (ruler of 3rd and 4th) and an exalted Moon (9th ruler). Basis is ruled by Venus/Libra/12th. An exalted Moon on Basis is good but Saturn on Basis is bad as is the ruler in the 12th.

Example 12: Elvis Presley (King of rock and roll, health declined from 1973 due to an addiction to prescription drugs and weight gain, died suddenly aged 42)

Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Presley,_Elvis

Lot of Fortune in Libra, Lot of Spirit in Capricorn. The Lot of Basis is in Pisces/4th house with the Moon, ruler of the 8th. Ruler is Jupiter/Scorpio/12th.

Example 13: John Holmes (famous pornographic actor of the 70s and 80s, he died of AIDS complications aged 43).

Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Holmes,_John

Lot of Fortune in Cancer, Lot of Spirit in Scorpio. The Lot of Basis is also in Cancer/5th with Saturn, ruler of the 11th and 12th houses (12th house is also 8th from fortune - "the deadly place"). Ruler is the Moon/Aries/2nd.

Example 14: Jim Densmore (American musician whose career was hampered by stays in mental hospitals, he stabbed himself to death at the age of 27).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Densmore,_Jim

Fortune in Aquarius, Spirit in Aries. Basis is in Sagittarius/4th with Mars, ruler of the 3rd and 8th houses. Ruler Jupiter is retrograde in Aquarius/6th.

Example 15: Janis Joplin (Leading American singer and rockstar of the hippie years, a heroin addict, she fatally overdosed at the age of 27).

Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Joplin,_Janis

Fortune in Leo, Spirit in Virgo. The Lot of Basis is in Aries/3rd ruled by Mars/Sagittarius/11th. This shows her hedonistic lifestyle with bandmembers/groups and risk taking but does not appear to be too bad until the ruler is considered: Jupiter/Cancer/6th/retrograde with the Moon/Cancer is the same configuration as Kurt Cobain (his was in the 11th), who was also a heroin addict. In both cases Jupiter is the ruler of "the deadly place".

Example 16: Amy Carnevale (14 year old homicide victim. She was pregnant when her jealous 16 year old boyfriend stabbed her and concealed her body by weighing it down with blocks in a lake).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Carnevale,_Amy

Fortune in Capricorn, Spirit in Libra. The Lot of Basis is in Pisces/4th with the Moon (8th ruler) and Mars (5th and 12th ruler). Ruler Jupiter is in Gemini/7th, in turn ruled by Mercury/Taurus/6th.

Example 17: Jennifer Abbot (Poisoned by her husband, aged 26).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Abbott,_Jennifer

Fortune in Capricorn, Spirit in Aries. The Lot of Basis is in Taurus/4th with Saturn (1st and 12th ruler) ruled by Venus/Capricorn/12th (Venus-Saturn mutual reception).

Example 18: James Alenson (Stabbed to death by a classmate in school, aged 15).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Alenson%2C_James

Fortune in Cancer, Spirit in Taurus. The Lot of Basis is in Capricorn/2nd ruled by Saturn/Aquarius/3rd/retrograde with the Moon (8th ruler). Sun/Leo opposes Saturn by under 2 degrees.

Example 19: Robert F. Kennedy (Attorney general, liberal and civil rights activist, he met the same fate as his brother shortly after delivering a victory speech during his campaign for the democratic party presidential nomination. He was 42.)
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Kennedy%2C_Bobby

Fortune in Cancer, Spirit in Pisces. The Lot of Basis is in Virgo/5th ruled by Mercury/Sagittarius/8th. JFK also had the ruler of Basis in detriment in the 8th. Mercury/Sagittarius/8th is consistent with the optimistic victory speech he gave minutes before his assassination although the condition of the ruler of "the deadly place" (Aquarius) is more indicative of the violent death he suffered (Saturn/Scorpio/7th with Mars (also 12th ruler) and the Sun (4th ruler).

Example 20 Alex Arredondo (American combat death, killed while on his second tour of duty in Iraq. He had just turned 20 years old.)
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Arredondo%2C_Alex

Fortune in Pisces, Spirit in Libra. The Lot of Basis is in Scorpio/6th with Mars (also 11th ruler), Moon (2nd ruler) and Saturn (8th and 9th/MC ruler).


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Posted: Mon Aug 30, 2010 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For balance, the next group will be of people who lived to age 80 or longer, selected at random from Astrodatabank under the category "Personal : Death : Long life more than 80 yrs". The first 10 were those with AA data in alphabetical order under "A" (http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Category:Personal_:_Death_:_Long_life_more_than_80_yrs). The first natal chart with an Asc of 29.01 Aquarius and a new moon is excluded.

Example 1: Agnes Anne Abbot (German - American painter, died aged 95).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Abbot%2C_Agnes_Anne

Fortune in Libra, Spirit in Taurus. The Lot of Basis is in Cancer/6th with Venus (ruler of 4th and 9th/Fortune). Ruler is the Moon/Taurus/5th.

Example 2: Giorgio Abetti (Astronomer and solar physicist, died 2 months short of his 100th birthday).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Abetti%2C_Giorgio

Fortune in Sagittarius, Spirit in Taurus. Lot of Basis is in Cancer 6th with Moon and Jupiter (ruler of 2nd and 11th/MC). Note also the tight trines involving the Moon and Jupiter (Moon trine Venus/Scorpio/10th, Venus ruling ruling 4th and 9th, and Jupiter trine Mars/Scorpio, Mars also ruling 3rd).

Example 3: Jean Abrial (French Admiral and Minister of Marine of France, famous for assisting in the Dunkirk evacuation, he was arrested and charged with collabaration in 1945, convicted and disgraced, he was sentenced to 10 years hard labor but was released less than 2 years into his sentence. He was later granted an amnesty. He died at the age of 82).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Abrial%2C_Jean

Fortune in Gemini, Spirit in Aquarius. The Lot of Basis is in Leo/5th ruled by Sun/Sagittarius/9th. In own triplicity and in house of Joy, this is a strong Sun. The disgrace and hard labor sentence could stem from the ruler being Jupiter/Pisces/12th (which also indicates the forgiving nature of the authorities to release him early from his sentence and grant him an amnesty).

Example 4: Jean Absil (Belgian composer, died aged 80)
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Absil%2C_Jean

Fortune in Aquarius, Spirit in Capricorn. Basis is in Virgo/2nd ruled by Mercury/Scorpio/4th (10th from Fortune) with the Sun (1st ruler).

Example 5: Samuel Adams (American statesman and founding father of the U.S, a second cousin of John Adams, he died aged 81).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Adams%2C_Samuel

Fortune in Cancer, Spirit in Taurus. The Lot of Basis is in Aquarius/3rd ruled by Saturn/Sagittarius/1st with Jupiter/Sagittarius. Saturn also rules 2nd and Jupiter also rules 4th. Saturn is sextile Mercury/Libra within 2 degrees and Mercury rules the 7th and 10th.

Example 6: Konrad Adenauer (German Chancellor after WW2, he was a driving force behind the rebuilding of the economy. He died aged 91).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Adenauer%2C_Konrad

Fortune in Gemini, Spirit in Sagittarius. Basis is in Leo/6th ruled by Sun/Capricorn/11th with Mercury (4th and 7th ruler). Capricorn being the 8th from Fortune does not appear to have done him any harm.

Example 7: Felix Adler (German - American educator and ethical reformer, died aged 81).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Adler,_Felix

Fortune in Pisces, Spirit in Aquarius. The Lot of Basis is in Libra/2nd with Jupiter (ruler of the 4th and 7th). Jupiter is tightly trine Mars/Gemini/10th (3rd and 8th ruler) and sextile Sun/Leo/12th.
Ruler of Libra is Venus/Leo/12th with the Sun. This is an interesting example where the malign influence of the 12th house appears to be mitigated by Jupiter being on Basis (with Jupiter ruling the "good" 4th and 7th houses). This also raises the issue of whether the 2nd house is a "bad" house (being in aversion to the Ascendant) or not. My experience is that it is not a malefic house, and in the context of the Lot of Basis is probably a favourable house as the Lot of Basis is "the security of the Ascendant" which can also be thought of as the Ascendants second in the same manner as the 11th house is the 10th house's second (i.e the King's friends/allies, those who protect/enhance the native's carrer/reputation).

Example 8: Jan Aerts (Belgian cyclist, a racer and award winner, died aged 84).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Aerts%2C_Jan#

Fortune in Gemini, Spirit in Cancer. Basis in Leo/2nd with Jupiter (ruler of 6th and 9th/MC). Ruler is Sun/Virgo/3rd/IC with Mercury in domicile (also rules 12th/Fortune), Venus (4th and 11th ruler) and the Moon (1st ruler).

Example 9: Gianni Agnelli (Business tycoon, Italian industrialist and the head of an auto empire. He was shot in the arm during WW2 service and was involved in two serious auto accidents, the first shattering his ankle and the second more serious accident smashed his jaw and leg. The leg became gangerous but he violently opposed amputation and spent 9 months recovering in bed. He had triple bypass surgery at the age of 59 and died aged 82).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Agnelli%2C_Gianni

Fortune in Scorpio, Spirit in Capricorn. Basis is in Aqaurius/3rd ruled by Saturn/Virgo/10th/Retrograde conjunct Jupiter (also retrograde). Saturn also rules the 2nd house and Jupiter rules the 1st and 4th. Saturn is opposed by the Sun (9th ruler) by a degree, an unfavourable configuration (perhaps lessened because the Sun rules a favourable house) as is the ruler of the lot being 8th from the lot. More research would have to be done to determine the influence of a retrograde planet ruling the Lot of Basis.

Example 10: James E Akins (American diplomat, died of a heart attack aged 83).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Akins%2C_James_E.

Spirit in Sagittarius, Fortune in Taurus. The Lot of Basis is in Aquiarius/7th ruled by Saturn/Scorpio/4th (ruler of the lot culminates with respect to the lot - very good). Saturn is with Mercury (2nd and 11th ruler). Jupiter/Aquarius on the lot rules the 5th and 8th houses.

Under "B" in the astrodatabank category "Personal : Death : Long life more than 80 yrs":

Example 11: Jean Bachelet (French director of photograpy of note during the 1920's and 30's, died aged 82).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bachelet%2C_Jean

Fortune in Aries, Spirit in Libra. The Lot of Basis is in Capricorn/6th ruled by Saturn/Libra/3rd/IC, Saturn also ruling 7th. Exalted Saturn is with Venus in domicile (also 10th ruler) and Sun in fall (1st ruler).

Example 12: Pietro Badoglio (Italian military officer and Mussolini's chief of staff. He was premier of Italy for just under a year during which civil war broke out over the signing of an armistice. He died aged 85, apparently being "bitter and obscure" in his latter years).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Badoglio%2C_Pietro

Fortune in Aquarius, Spirit in Capricorn. Lot of Basis is in Leo/1st ruled by Sun/Libra/3rd/IC conjunct a retrograde Venus/Libra (also 10th ruler).
This is an interesting case where the ruler is in fall with a benefic in domicile being combust. According to some, a planet in domicile, exaltation or in own bounds is protected or insulated from the negative influences of combustion. Sun and Venus are tightly square Saturn/Capricorn/6th (also 7th ruler) which appears not to have had any severe impact on him ("bitter and obscure" in old age is a rather minor impact for such an affliction from the out of sect malefic). Venus tightly applying a sextile to Mars/Sagittarius/5th (4th and 9th ruler) is a more favourable influence which may also signify his involvement negotiating peace (Libra) and participating in wars, at home (4th) and abroad (9th).

Example 13: Erich Rudol Bagge (Noted German scientist and university professor, he died aged 84).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bagge%2C_Erich_Rudolf

Fortune and Spirit in Taurus. Basis is in Scorpio/1st ruled by Mars/Leo/10th, Mars also ruling 6th.

Example 14: Mildred Caroon Bailey (American military woman, only the third woman (at that stage) to attain the high rank of general. She suffered from Alzheimer's disease in her old age abd died at the age of 90).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bailey%2C_Mildred_Caroon

Fortune in Leo, Spirit in Libra. Lot of Basis is in Taurus/3rd with Mars (2nd and 9th ruler). Ruler is Venus/Gemini/4th (Venus also 8th ruler) opposed by Moon/Sagittarius/10th ruler of the 5th.

Example 15: Isobel Baille (Scottish dame hailed as one of the greatest oratorio singers of the 20th century. She died aged 88 )
Natal chart:http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Baillie%2C_Isobel

Fortune in Cancer, Spirit in Taurus. The Lot of Basis is in Aquarius/3rd with Mercury (ruler of 7th and 10th) ruled by Saturn/Scorpio/12th/MC/retrograde. A rare example of a 12th house MC which is 2 degrees away from Saturn essentially makes Saturn more like being in the 10th than in the 12th (Saturn is also in Joy in the 12th). In any case, accidental benefic Mercury being on the lot would have been sufficient for a strong Basis, Mercury also being tightly trine Jupiter/Gemini/7th (1st and 4th ruler).

Example 16: Eugen Bamann (German scientist, died aged 80 or 81).
Natal chart: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Bamann%2C_Eugen

Fortune and Spirit in Cancer. Lot of Basis is in Aquarius/2nd with Venus (ruler of 5th/IC and 9th). Ruler is Saturn/Sagittarius/12th with Jupiter. This is another example of how a benefic on Basis ruling favourable houses mitigates against a badly placed ruler.
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To conclude my contribution to this thread (unless there are any comments/queries), I will summarise the findings of this limited study of The Lot of Basis as it pertains to specific natal charts.
I will give a brief commentary on the five points I considered when assessing the Lot of Basis.

1. Any planet(s) with the lot, the essential nature of the planet, its dignity/debility and the houses it rules.

Comment: Based on the example natal charts shown above, this appears to be the most important factor, with any planet(s) on basis able to trump the ruler for good (see for example Felix Adler, Isobel Baille and Eugen Bamann) or for ill (Amy carnevale and John Holmes are the best examples here, where the ruler of the lot was otherwise well placed).
The ruler of the 8th house on basis is especially unfavourable, closely followed by the 12th ruler and ruler of 8th from Fortune. 6th house ruler is also generally unfavourable, although to a lesser extent. Essential nature of the planet is also important especially with regard to Saturn, the greater malefic, and Jupiter, the greater benefic. Dignity of the planet on basis is also important but the most important consideration is what
house(s) do the planet(s) on basis rule.

2. The ruler of the lot, its condition (dignity, house, etc). Planet(s) in the same sign as the ruler, the houses these planets rule.

Comment: If there are no planets on the lot, then this obviously the most important factor to consider. House position of the ruler is most important. Once again 8th and 12th are most undesirable, 6th also but to a lesser extent. Other houses are O.K but in order of favourability, I would go with: 1st, 10th, 4th, 11th, 5th, 7th, 9th, 2nd, 3rd.
Good essential dignity (or at leat not in detriment/fall) is also favourable.
Planets in the same sign as the ruler are also an important consideration. For example, in the case of Jayne Mansfield who was killed in a car accident, her Basis is in Scorpio/5th ruled by Mars/Virgo/3rd. Jupiter is also in Virgo. Jupiter rules the 6th and 9th houses, the 6th house also being "the deadly place" (8th from the Taurus Lot of Fortune).

3. The ruler of the ruler of the lot.

Comment: I have only considered this point in a few of the above examples and there were two conditions where it it appeared to be of significance:
1. Where the ruler of the ruler has a tight aspect with a benefic (George W. Bush: Saturn/Cancer ruled by Moon/Libra conjunct Jupiter by 2 degrees) or a malefic (Nicole Brown Simpson: Mercury/Taurus ruled by Venus/Cancer (with Mars) opposite Saturn/Capricorn by slightly over 3 degrees).
2. Where the ruler of the ruler is 8th from the ruler (Jayne Mansfield: Mars/Virgo ruled by Mercury/Aries. Janis Joplin: Mars/Sagittarius ruled by Jupiter/Cancer).

4. Position of the ruler relative to the lot of Fortune (with Fortune, 10 signs from Fortune and 8th from Fortune are most important).

Comment: The ruler handing over to fortune or 10 signs from fortune is favourable as is 11th from Fortune. The least favourable is 8th from Fortune as this is "the deadly place".

5. Aspects within a 3 degree orb are very important, especially harsh aspects involving the malefics.

Comment: The ruler and the ruler of the rulers tight aspects are important to consider. I have not analysed aspects by whole sign although they must have some influence.

Lot of Basis and longevity projection methods
If the Lot of Basis is undermined, then the projected lifespan may not be lived out. For example, consider the natal charts of Amy Carnevale (http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Carnevale,_Amy) and James Alenson (http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Alenson%2C_James) who were both murdered at the ages of 14 and 15 respectively.
I am not aware of any longevity projection method that comes up with a lifespan anywhere near 14 or 15 years in these cases.

More generally speaking, if a long life is indicated, then the Lot of Basis is usually in agreement with this (i.e the ruler is strong and not undermined by malefic configurations), and on the contrary for short lives (e.g ruler might be in the 8th etc - see many of the examples above).

Lot of Basis and the manner of death
If the objective of the Lot of Basis is to preserve the natives life, then theoretically it should indicate the manner of death if it is associated with the 8th house, 8th from fortune (and perhaps the 4th house) as these are the houses associated with death. This is actually the case as can be seen in many of the above examples.

Is the Lot of Basis understimated?
Yes. I would argue that it is the second most important Lot to consider after the Lot of Fortune.

Case study:
John F. Kennedy jr and Caroline Bessette Kennedy were killed when their light aircraft, piloted by John, crashed into the Atlantic Ocean off Martha's Vineyard. Caroline's sister was also killed in the accident.
John was 38 and Caroline was 33.

Natal chart of JFK jr:


The Lot of Basis is in Pisces/7th ruled by Jupiter/Capricorn/5th with Venus (ruler of 2nd and 9th) and Saturn (also 6th ruler). Because the lot of Fortune is in Gemini, Capricorn is "the deadly place". Jupiter defers to Saturn who is opposed by Mars/Cancer (3rd and 8th ruler) by under 3 degrees. One way in which Saturn harms is by falls from heights, which in this case was a fatal airplane crash (Mars - sudden accident) into the ocean (Mars/Cancer). His wife was with him (Jupiter is 7th ruler) as was his sister in law (Venus rules 9th which is 3rd from 7th - wifes sibling). Aquarius is associated with aviation, which in John's case was his 6th house (accidents) with Moon/Aquarius ruling Mars/Cancer.

Natal chart of Caroline Bessette Kennedy:


In this case, the Lot of Basis is in the Ascendant with Mars/Aquarius (ruler of 10th and 3rd) tightly conjunct a retrograde Venus (4th and 9th ruler).
Mars/Aquarius indicates a fatal aviation accident because the ruler Saturn/Pisces is in "the deadly place" (Saturn/Pisces ruling Mars/Aquarius consistent with crashing into the ocean). Although Venus does not rule the 7th of the partner, the Mars-Venus conjuntion can be taken as a general significator of her famous (Mars rules 10th and Venus rules 10th from fortune) relationship with John. Fortune/Leo/7th indicates a famous husband, but her relationship with him led her to a watery grave (Ruler is Sun/Capricorn/12th ruled by Saturn/Pisces in "the deadly place").

Two prominent U.S political figures who survived serious airplane crashes are Edward "Ted" Kennedy (Mars/Aquarius in 2nd, 8th from fortune, ruled by Saturn/Capricorn/1st, basis also in Capricorn) and George H. W. Bush (Mars/Aquarius/6th - aviation accident during military service, trine lord of Basis (in Capricorn) Saturn/Libra/2nd with Moon/Libra, 11th ruler).
John Heinz (http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Heinz,_John) was less fortunate when the airplane he was travelling in exploded midair (Fortune and Basis in Aries/2nd with a retrograde Saturn/Aries (11th and 12th ruler) ruled by Mars/Virgo/7th.

Case study 2: Two Police officers killed in the line of duty.
Charles Mehlberg (age 25) and John Machajewski (age 44) were Milwaukee cops shot to death while responding to a call about a tavern robbery (in 1981).

Charles Mehlberg:

Source: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Mehlberg%2C_Charles

Unfavourable configurations:
Asc lord in 6th, Sun in 8th conjunct Saturn and Mercury because Mercury rules the deadly place, Lord of Fortune in 8th combust with Mercury, Moon in the deadly place, applying to planet in 8th.
Lot of Basis is in Scorpio/7th ruled by Mars/Pisces/11th. In a good house, but Mars (the out of sect malefic) is opposed by ruler Jupiter (also 8th ruler) in the deadly place by slightly over 3 degrees.

John Machajewski:

Source: http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Machajewski%2C_John

Unfavourable configurations:
Sun in 8th and Moon in the deadly place, ruler of the deadly place conjunct Mars (the out of sect malefic), aspecting a planet in the Ascendant (Saturn/Sagittarius) by fewer than 3 degrees.
Lot of Basis is in Gemini/7th ruled by a combust Mercury in the 8th.
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