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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote


If this discussion is going to continue in this vein, perhaps we ought to take it to the traditional Forum.


Good idea, I nearly missed your posts re. Morin up here.

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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2010 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I copied my last post and put it over on the Traditional Forum. I can't transfer the whole thread or even part of it. It's a good topic and I hope others decide to continue the discussion.

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Posted: Wed Oct 06, 2010 12:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Tom and others

Sorry not to have thanked you before now but other things have overtaken me. I will read and digest all these posts and get back to you, again thanks.

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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just casted my 2013 SR. Having no idea on how this is used, i came too across Discepolo's work at

I was also surprised to learn that there is a 33-year cycle to the natal ASC' repetance.
I am soon having my first 33-year ASC return, and I at first glance I thought of the SR to be brillant, but then..:

Ascendant of Solar Return in the First natal House; stellium of Solar Return in the First House of SR; Sun of SR in the 1st House of SR; and/or Mars of SR in the 1st House of SR.

What happens if you have 3/4 of these symptoms?? The examples he refers to are really bad.. Meanwhile, some worse-than-the-rest years I can recall, have had my natal MC as SR ASC.

Do you think it's gonna be that bad? Or should I book the next flight to Australia?? Shocked

Thanx a lot to whomever bothers to share his/her opinion.

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Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2013 3:04 am    Post subject: Solar Returns as part of a larger system Reply with quote

I have used Solar Returns since 1975, specifically precession-corrected S/R's. While I sometimes work in the Sidereal framework I most often use p.c. Tropical S/Rs and derived charts. I'll explain.

Use of the natal chart is important, but one has to see the natal chart, for predictive purposes, as representing adopted or developed characteristics based on our life experience --- and not to treat the natal chart as only being one's potential.

Next, the p.c. S/R represents several things: 1) it provides a "theme" or promise that often pertains to all/most significant events in the following year. 2) the p.c. S/R is a cyclic chart, as Cyril Fagan pointed out. Any S/R's MC will shift some 90 degrees from the prior year's S/R and the Sun will therefore shift some 3 houses in chart position. This, being a regular and repeatable fact, suggests a cycle. This is important for the next step.

As a cyclic chart, we can use Fagan's progression method to advance the chart MC over 365.25 days some 450 degrees, +/_. The daily interim charts, which Fagan called Progressed Sidereal Solar Return charts or PSSRs can be seen as simply progressed daily angles charts when using the Tropical zodiac framework.

As has been noted, the S/R is a transit chart within a cyclic format, the ordering/placement of the angles makes it more than a transit chart. The approach I use, based on Fagan's practices, is to emphasize the angles and planets at/near the angles for interpretive purposes. This approach can utilize Ebertin's COSI planets-in-combination (natal, S/R, transits for any given day) keyed to the angles to provide an interpretation.

The progressed daily angles charts portray the moving angles from the S/R angles and those moving angles contact transiting planets, natal planets, solar return planets and natal angles periodically over a 9 month 2 week cycle. At the end of this period, the MC returns to the prior S/R MC position and continues onward to the next S/R MC position.

Angles contacting angles have an interpretive meaning of some significance as I point out in my new book which was released just this last week. (Personal Prediction, ISBN 978-0-615-63033-5) The daily charts, also as transit charts with the added enrichment of a cyclic orientation can be used (based on using planets at the angles) to both time events and describe attitudes, actions, situations. This approach to prediction makes good use of Ebertins COSI combinations as those often portray those same attitudes, actions and situations.

As Carter pointed out so long ago, the angular houses are action oriented while the following houses tend to reflect feelings and thoughts. This may mean that one could use S/Rs and daily charts with non-angular houses or cusps to explore feelings or thoughts ---- but that would not contribute well to what most of us consider to be "prediction."

The afore-mentioned 9 month and 2 week cycle is important in this system of using three unified charts (natal, S/R, daily charts). When the S/R MC reaches by daily progression its opposition point after 4 months and 3 weeks, some form of a "challenge" is often associated with the angle reversal. A "conclusion" or "finishing" can be found when the cycle is completed after 9 months and 2 weeks. This concept can be extended to the MC and Asc. angles progressing to and opposite the natal angles as well, bringing another layer of challenges and conclusion into the mix.

For those who work with converse charting, or for those into spells, one can use a day which lies 9 months and 2 weeks ahead of the next S/R to engage in some meaningful, contributing and symbolic effort so as to "shape" the meaning of the next S/R cycle. I haven't engaged in this myself in many years but an associate has with reported success.

All in all, the unified chart-linking of the natal (potential plus developed character), Solar Return (yearly theme and cycle marker) and derived daily angles charts (timing and event definition) can be effectively welded together as a predictive tool. This form of "cyclic" charting, I suspect, is not widely practiced or appreciated, but it has proven very effective for me.

This is how I use Solar Returns. Dave
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Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:07 am    Post subject: SR must use correction for precession Reply with quote

When you study the theme of the year which will be shown in a solar return, you must look at the correct solar return, the one that corrects for precession, like dadsnook has pointed out. Otherwise you are not looking at the real SR.
You can do this by the method he suggests if you insist on using the tropical zodiac, but you can also cast the SR in sidereal zodiac, that gives the right SR.

The theme of the year is shown by the closest aspects (most potent within 3) to the SR angles and the tightest aspects (0-3) in the chart, with tight aspects to luminaries being of big importance.
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