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jennvt



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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 10:25 pm    Post subject: Natal chart of lonely single male Reply with quote

I'm new to the forum and trying to further my chart interpretations. I currently have a chart of a middle aged male who has steadily dated but has never sustained a serious relationship over 6 months. He seems to translate this as more "bad luck" than any pattern on his part.

Of note:

Venus 19 Leo 12th in Opposition to Moon 29 Aquarius 6th both squared with Neptune 21 Scorpio 3rd

Mars 20 Libra 2nd opposed to Saturn 11 Aries 8th.


Any translations/illuminations around these aspects or other aspects to pursue further would be of great assistance.
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James E.



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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 10:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Natal chart of lonely single male Reply with quote

jennvt wrote:
Any translations/illuminations around these aspects or other aspects to pursue further would be of great assistance.



you should provide the complete data so we can get the full picture...
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jennvt



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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2010 11:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll give it a try though not used to inserting a link in such a manner:



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Myro



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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Jennvt,
The link appears to have expired.
Could you please provide the birthdata?
Thanks.
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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2010 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've edited it and you should be able to view it. My apologies as it seems to be over the top large.
A bit later: Aha! Found how to edit it :)
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masyn



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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 7:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was born a few months before this man, and my best friend was born a week and a half after him.

Here are my thoughts.
This chart has many joined angles that are important to the Uranus/Pluto conjunction.
From noticing how this affects both myself and my friend because the conjunction is strong in both our charts too (we are both hetro females, born on new moons, two months apart). The water trines tend to make a person quite self-sufficent on an emotional level, and the stable earth conjunction adds to this. Maybe, he comes across as someone who doesn't 'need' anyone else.
This man also tosses Venus in Fire and Mars in Air into the mix (I have these two both in air) and I think this man would be easily bored by vapid/shallow or stupid people(strong Mercury), but he would easily attract women (strong Venus and Mars).

If the Rising point is accurate then just look at Pluto/Uranus rising in Virgo. This man is very pedantic and I think he would overpower many other people (perhaps by critisizing them).

What do mean by he has "bad luck" with these relationships?
The horoscope you have provided seems to be 'equal house', do you have a Placidus Chart?
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it because his Moon is in Aquarius? The Moon shows the kind of women he attracts and Aquarius is a fixed sign. With the Moon in Aquarius, the women he attracts are “fixed” and cannot be pushed into doing something unless they want it. I have some personal impressions from lunar Aquarians and I know that their need to be their own people is so strong that they do things to sabotage their relationships – very self-willed to the point of selfishness. Maybe the women he attracts belong to that kind of ladies.

Venus, the other indicator of the women he feels attracted to, is in an awful shape – opposite the Moon, square Neptune and placed in the 12th house. Leo is not a bad sign for Venus to be in but the 12th house is a place where planets are “imprisoned”, can’t act and deliver their promise. The Moon–Venus opposition suggests a deep difference between this man’s comfort needs and romantic needs and the Venus–Neptune square is the aspect of disappointment and heartbreak in relationships par excellence.

What’s more, the 7th-house cusp is occupied by the sign of Pisces, which is another signature of disappointment in relationships.
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Forgive, but how is Pisces a sign of disapointment in relationships when it is the 7th sign?
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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Forgive, but how is Pisces a sign of disapointment in relationships when it is the 7th sign


This kind of oversimplified interpretation must come from the teachings of "modern astrology".... according to them, Pisces are ruled by Neptune so the partners always tend to slip through your fingers, are unreliable and "weak", prone to alcohol and/or drugs, need constant strong guidance or else they lose themselves in the rough realities of this world, 'romantic' souls which tend to see the world through pink lenses,dreamers searching for someone to rescue and save or dreaming of being rescued and saved by a 'soul-mate', hard to stabilize, 'artistic', often unreachable and unable to commit, 'sensitive', etc, etc. all leading to disappointment.

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is precisely why I turned to good old tradition and sound astrology it represents Very Happy

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Posted: Fri Oct 15, 2010 11:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ah, I forgot about this neptune thing, thanks Goran.

Since I dropped by this tread, might as well contribute a little with my opinion.

Although the native says it is not his fault, I would take that with a grain of salt, since we always have a parcel of guilty (no astrology up here). Small edit: still, I should note, he does have a loaded 12th house/sign, a sign of simple bad luck, and both 7th house significators are there.

So, the consultation is about his perspective on a stable relationship, which by itself shows that he is getting upset about his current condition, already a first step. Sadly, this chart is not very good on this regard for several reasons.

About his temperament, I find that it is very moist, since the only planets aspecting the rising sign are the Sun and Mercury in Cancer. Also, Mercury, ruler of the AC, does not receive many aspects, only Mars in Libra and Saturn in Aries. Finally, the Moon is in a moist sign as well. Possibly a fleumatic, otherwise a sanguine, both showing the ability to connect. Still, both Jupiter and Venus, respectively ruler of the wife by accident, and in a diurnal chart, are averse to the AC ruler, to the AC, to the Moon, and to the Sun. That's very bad.

Now, despite the wife significators being in fixed signs, which would point to a single, long and lasting relationship, their cadence indicates that if it actually come to be, that would be very late in life.

Pratical suggestions: seek the firdar of Jupiter and Venus (period and sub-periods) research his Secondary Progressions and SR for the years the firdar spam, seek the year that the profection comes to Leo, where Venus and Jupiter are posited, and check some primary directions regarding these planets, and hope for positive prospects. Eyeballing a little, there would be around his 40-45 a direction of Venus to the Sun. Another possibility would be of Jupiter to the conjunction of the MC, around his 60's.
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Posted: Sat Oct 16, 2010 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Would a traditional approach take the nodes into account? With the head on the ninth house and tail in the third maybe he is more interested in the higher things in life and neglects the day-to-day communications.

They are not close to any planets but I think the square to jupiter can also be counted (according to Ptolemy ?)

Any thoughts appreciated.

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Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I notice the Chiron in the 7th. I know of men with bad luck in love with Chiron in the 7th. Is this just a coincidence or could it attribute to their 'bad luck'?
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 5:03 pm    Post subject: I have a similar chart.... Reply with quote

I have a similar chart, and have also had a lot of problems developing close personal relationships. I am not one in currently, although I am a decade or more younger than the subject. The longest one I have been in was three years. I do tend to alternate between hope against hope and “XXXX it, this isn’t going to happen…next lifetime, maybe?”

Like the subject, I have a Virgo Ascendent at 14 degrees, a 7th house Chiron and an 8th House Saturn (a nasty combination that makes intimate relationships difficult), a 1st House Pluto and Uranus (in a man, this can show a tendency to dominate (Pluto) and anger management issues (Uranus), and a 3rd House Neptune (a placement which makes it difficult to develop casual relationships, so that intimate relationships never develop).

It’s a difficult chart…and I can’t explain why some people end up with crappy horoscopes. For those proficient in Vedic astrology, the subject is past his Ketu maturation at age 48, which takes some pressure off the 3rd House. He needs to make an effort now…there isn’t as much holding him back astrologically…
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll do my best with a modern interpretation. I note that the Astrodienst default charts use very wide orbs--I'll ignore a few on the horoscope that I think are too wide.

With Pisces on the cusp of the 7th house of marriage/long-term relationships, I would use Neptune as the modern ruler of the sign on the cusp. Although Neptune in the 3rd house makes some nice aspects, it does square Venus in the 12th house. 12th house planets indicate energies that are hard for us to perceive about ourselves, although they may be very visible to those around us. So I would read this aspect as unrealistic (Neptune) thinking (3rd) about women (Venus) in ways that are hard for him to understand about himself (12th).

If we look at Neptune square moon, and the psychological claptrap (eh, traditionalists?) that a boy's first and most precedent-setting relationship with a woman is with Mom, I think he was on good terms with her (with that trine to his sun) but that some Neptunian disillusionment is here, also. (Juliana, good read on the moon! But I note that the moon is so late in Aquarius that if his birth time is slightly off, it could be in Pisces.)

With Venus closely sextile Mars, this man has a sex drive (!), but with Pluto/Uranus sitting on their midpoint in a house indicating his body and outward personality, he may experience a lot of disruption and even shame in their expression. Uranus/Pluto in the first house suggest someone who looks both unusual and intense, and this can put people off.

Also, if we accept Pluto as opposite the DC, this could cause all kinds of turmoil in his efforts to generate a long-term relationship.

I think I've located his birth date in an ephemeris, which would put Black Moon Lilith in Aries in the 8th house in an exact opposition to his Mars. She is a real spoiler of the zodiac. Kind of like Saturn with Attitude. Sexuality is one reading of the 8th house. This makes me wonder about "bedroom" issues with this man. BML trines Venus in Leo, so he may be attracted to pretty women who are put off by him.

With sun square Saturn from the 8th, I would look for problems with self-confidence. Some plain ol' sun-sign astrology suggests that an afflicted sun in Cancer is likely to make the man retreat inside his shell when he feels insecure about himself. Hence loneliness. With sun semi-square Venus and sesqui-square Mars and his 8th house ruled by Mars, this gets us back into the Mars loop; with thwarted efforts to express his masculinity.

Also, I think Chiron does show us "where it hurts." Chiron is in the 7th house of marriage/permanent relationships. It is out-of-sign but I would count Chiron as squaring his sun, making him feel that his ego just takes too much of a beating when he tries to get a long-term relationship.

I can't honestly say I would have picked this horoscope out of a dozen anonymous charts as being as you've described, but I have suggested post-hoc some placements that might explain what you have observed.


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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forgot to mention that moon square Neptune is another low-confidence indicator; to the point of the person feeling victimized. This might be his "bad luck" talking.
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