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Olivia



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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't tracked down the studies, but score one for us in a backhanded manner - though the title of the article assures us that it is not astrology - but the season of your birth can affect your temperament, or so neuroscientists are finding:

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20101105221553data_trunc_sys.shtml

This one's from December of last year, so still quite recent. Don't remember it being splashed all over the news the way the 13th sign is, though.
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deb wrote:

I think the Southern hemisphere inversion of seasonal symbolism is very philosophically problematic. The only defensive principle we have is that the original view remains pertinent for the greater part of the Earth's inhabitable regions, so we can use it as the most pertinent Earth-centred influence. I know that is probably not satisfactory for many, but at the moment it seems to be the only justifiable argument on the table.


Hi Deb,

Wouldn't the plain geometry of it just settle the matter? Then again, I think the seasonal aspect of the tropical zodiac is only accidental, in the sense that it is not the essential part of it; the Sun's path crossing over the equator is the important thing, I think.
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Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have the patience to read it, the physics presented in the "Concepts" document at http://www.levante.org/ give a pretty convincing rationale for why the signs should be defined along the ecliptic in counter-clockwise order, regardless of which of the northern or southern hemispheres the native resides in. It's a bit more "catholic" as to what the zero point can be. But there is no reason for any discontinuity between north and south.

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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This one is also interesting Olivia:

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20090231024011data_trunc_sys.shtml

The matter of inversion of the zodiac in the sourthern hemisphere has been tackled in the below thread before, if anyone wishs to re-take a look:

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=5135&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

I must say that living in the sourthern hemisphere I'm not unconfortable with the signs order of domiciles, as they reflect planetay speed among other things, and for the reasons stated under the above thread in my posts. But I always was at odds with the exaltation system of dignities, that seems to me older and more local related. But in practice, we (sourthern astrologers) still get results - or are mass-delusional.
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

PFN wrote:
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The matter of inversion of the zodiac in the sourthern hemisphere has been tackled in the below thread before, if anyone wishs to re-take a look:


Your explanation in that thread was one of the most interesting contributions and presents an innovative perspective. Although I personally think the origins of the domicile rulerships was probably more prosaic than that.

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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps a bit annoying but it has to be mentioned that the line of apsides / the line of perihelion-aphelion precesses too, in 21,000 years through the zodiac. So in the Hellenistic era the aphelion would have been in end of Taurus. In 10,500 years from now they will be reversed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year#Sidereal.2C_tropical.2C_and_anomalistic_years
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apsidal_precession
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"I guess it depends upon which sidereal zodiac, oh lets just invent one so that "we're right" and we don't have to admit that we goofed. "

I propose the "new" sidereal zodiac begin with the confluence of the Galactic Center and the capricorn solstice (mula nakshatra) (2227 ad) ... we are now more in the Galactic Force Field (since December 1999)

I think this has boiled to the top of the conscious zeitgeist because of the unusual type of extreme events that have been piling up ... and people are becoming aware of possible correlations between cosmic & terrestial event.

No argument about the tropical zodiac however, since it is basically defined by the equinoxes & solstices.

Incidentally, Time is Geocentric -- eg pretty much defined by the earth's axis of rotation -- day/night -- mutual barycentric rotation with moon = month, its revolution about the sun = year, and its 26K year precessional wobble throughout establishing the aeon
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the compliments Mark.

Eddy, thanks for that info. Actually, that defeats a little the purpose of my post in that previous thread, but anyway, living and learning.
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Paulo, I can imagine it hurts a bit. However it's still useful to think about the ideas of planets in perihelion/aphelion. It introduces the concept of distance and seeing in depth.
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