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Deb
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2011 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Eddy

Its not the philosophy of astrology that influences descend from 'up there' but that they are integral within us, so what we see 'up there' is used as a reflection of what takes within. Hence the Pythagoran philosophy of the individual being the microcosm and the cosmos the macrocosm. This brings us back to the same place that you prefer to place the focus of the effect, within the mind, which is different from the sceptic view that it's gravitational influences affecting the brain. The philosophical analysis of what Mind represents is very deep, because the Mind is the anima (otherwise interpreted as breath, vital force, soul, animating force, spirit, etc).

But I can assure you that Brian Cox was not being sincere, and was not apologising, but was underlining his utter contemt for the whole of astrology as being nothing more than 'New Age drivel'. We are the 'irrational community' and people like Robert are deliberately targetted by Cox as supposedly "flying the flag for the irrational community" (ie, us). Here is a link a video extract of those comments, which Robert will already know a lot about since his Facebook page was used as the target for Cox's attack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hd0vW5wPjIQ
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 10:54 pm    Post subject: Vaharamihira Reply with quote

I am creating the opportunity to establish the Vaharamihira Chair in Jyotisa at the Divinity School of the University of Chicago -- there being no major Hindu presence there & major academic Diva (deva?) Wendy Doniger, acolyte of Mircea Eliade, is Gatekeeper to same. Prof. is my academic reader for my Master's thesis, which is a project ... 72 frame powerpoint presentation structuring an online AstroHistory course, which has to do with the Mayan Calendar & Tecumseh's Curse.

I've made some interesting discoveries in the composing of this. Namely, the part that Persia & the Magi played in developing modern, [b]pre-Hellenistic[/b] astrology -- Ben Dykes treats a much later, post-Christian Era version of Persian astrology.

The Beta version has been submitted and acknowledged, I am of course trolling around for a(n institutional) platform/forum/convention to present it

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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deb wrote:
For example, Brian Cox, described his attitude to astrologer’s complaints in his Huw Wheldon Lecture (Dec, 2010) saying:

The BBC asked me for a statement – mine was, “I apologise to the Astrology community for not making myself clear. I should have said that this New Age drivel is undermining the very fabric of our civilization.”

This sounds familiar. Like points I was raising in correspondance with the Norweigian Ministry of Culture in the early 90's. The consequences of the New Age movement and cases where intentional misleading takes in aim to utilize the lack of understanding and competence of the general public in areas that deal with their personal life, trust and belief systems for the purpose of commercial profit. A meeting was attended with the ministry.
- Although in response to the statement of Cox I would have said that it was the drivel of commercialism that was in fact undermining the fabric of our civilization.

I would like to believe that my arguments in 1990-91 contributed to illuminating a social problem that was on the horizon at the time and on a different level the government did later appoint a 'Value Commision' (Bondevik, 1998), which purpose was to address certain social ethical problems and strenghten positive community values.
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Wikipedia: Given the main goal of the mandate and limited steering the following objectives for the Commission's work: (1) Create greater awareness and reflection on the question of values and ethical issues. (2) Contribute to the analysis and dissemination of knowledge about the value-based development and the value of impact that actually happens. (3) Identify the current value-based ethical and societal challenges - and discuss possible responses. (4) Challenge to action. These objectives formed the basis for a whole range of projects Safety Commission initiated or participated in the implementation of.

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Posted: Wed Mar 02, 2011 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Andrew Bevan wrote:
Although in response to the statement of Cox I would have said that it was the drivel of commercialism that was in fact undermining the fabric of our civilization.

That's absolutely the case.
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2011 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've decided to go through my files and scan all documents from 80's and on that pertain to correspondance with government officials, ombudsmen on consumers rights, telecommunication administrations, newspaper editors regarding hoax astrology columns, etc - and their answers.

The problem is that the letters are in Norwegian and are not immediately available for an English audience.

I even have a letter from an office of national defence. The funny thing here was that they had forgotten to remove an internal memo that read that one of Norway's leading newspapers had shown interest in Bevan's letter and it was important to reply - in case the newspaper demanded to view their answer.
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