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Heart-Shaped Cross



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Posted: Thu Sep 23, 2004 4:27 pm    Post subject: Cause and Correspondence Reply with quote

What say you: Do the planets effect, or reflect us?
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

'Effectí or Ďaffectí us? The use here of Ďeffectí as a transitive verb is more interesting than affecting and reflecting. To effect something is to cause it to come into being, to bring it about, to put it in operation. Since a person is not a finished product but an ongoing process, the forces and energy represented by the planets are continually bringing us about and putting us in operation. ďSo you see, Eunice, I slapped you and called you a trollop because Mars was effecting me.Ē Some folks have an excuse for everything.
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Posted: Fri Sep 24, 2004 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same Discussion as topic "as Above so bellow" and its origins, you may enjoy reading that.

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Posted: Thu Sep 30, 2004 2:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I donít know if itís the same discussion though itís obviously linked. Iíve been trying to think how I could contribute my views on this without writing an entire treatise and then concluding that Iím actually as uncertain as I was 20 years ago. Itís interesting to observe how many astrologers claim that the planets merely reflect and yet their conversation is full of explanations of how they have been affected (effected? Ė good lord Iím even more confused now) by this transit or that, as if there is no responsibility for their actions under such conditions. (And before every astrologer that Iíve recently spoken to makes some smart comment, yes, Iím guilty of doing this too)
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Posted: Sat Oct 02, 2004 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe the planets donít reflect us, affect us, or effect us. Maybe the planets are us, and we are the planets. ďAs above, so belowĒ just might be on the right track, but in looking up and down we are trying to create an observation post and getting lost in between.
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Posted: Sun Oct 03, 2004 3:19 pm    Post subject: Effect, reflect ... Reply with quote

'... how many astrologers claim that the stars merely reflect.'

The word merely is interesting here, implying lesser. What if that isn't the case? Yes, Kirk, as Ram Das said, I am that, and, I might add, it is me; however I'm not there in consciousness right now! I'm the discreet particle in this dimension, Nature's offspring if you will, looking up at those stars and planets, sensing their protective potential as illustrations of Her cycles, timings, and symbology. As a part of Nature I need to abide by her laws; so the heavens seem to reflect guidance of incalculable value for attunement lest I become lost here on earth in this seemingly separate existence. This gives the low born 'merely' a far higher status.
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Kevin



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Posted: Tue Oct 05, 2004 1:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All,

Is a leaf effected or reflected by its tree? The instinctive and perhaps obvious answer is that it is effected by it. But this answer is built upon a concept of a separation of parts. The deeper answer may be that a leaf is reflected by its tree.


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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 3:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both.

The light from the Sun both effects and reflects us.

One can see a leaf reflected within the shape of a tree and a tree reflected within the shape of a leaf ... what the tree absorbs effects the leaf, what the leaf absorbs effects the tree.

As above, so below.
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