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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:55 am    Post subject: Rectified horoscope Muammar A. M. Gaddafi. Reply with quote

I rectified the horoscope of Muammar A. M. Gaddafi in the past.


Radix van: MUAMMAR A. M. GADDAFI Geb.uur : 08h,01m53s5
Plaats : QASR ABU HADI Tijdsoort: -01h,00m00s
Breedte : +31°,03'34,0 G.M.T. : 07h,01m54s
Lengte : +16°,39'32,0 E.T. : 07h,02m21s
Datum : 19-6-1942 S.T. : 01h,56m01s,781
Dag : Vrijdag Tabeldag : 4 / 3 / 1942
Delta-T = 27 seconden JD = 2430529,79329282 T = 0,4246349977501486

Progressive aspects according the Gieles minus 1 (year) system.
(Dutch language)

15-Feb-2011 004°,55'23 Weegsch. Asc 135 Ven
15-Feb-2011 004°,17'41 Maagd Drac 30 Plu

3-Mrt-2011 000°,00'00 Vissen Maan Nw
10-Mrt-2011 002°,09'08 Maagd Zon 45 AR05
10-Mrt-2011 -10°,57'44 Maan # C--2
21-Mrt-2011 005°,18'50 Kreeft MC 30 Sat
28-Mrt-2011 000°,59'34 Vissen Maan 135 AR01

1-Apr-2011 001°,08'53 Vissen Maan 60 MC
8-Apr-2011 010°,57'07 Leeuw Ven 45 AR12
9-Apr-2011 001°,27'01 Vissen Maan 180 C--2
15-Apr-2011 001°,42'06 Vissen Maan 135 OND Jup
23-Apr-2011 002°,01'04 Vissen Maan 90 Ura
24-Apr-2011 002°,01'18 Vissen Maan 120 Jup
27-Apr-2011 002°,09'08 Vissen Maan 135 AR05
30-Apr-2011 002°,17'21 Maagd Zon 180 OND Maan

7-Mei-2011 007°,22'12 Leeuw C-11 30 ZMnT
7-Mei-2011 002°,32'58 Vissen Maan * SADALMELIK (SAT - MERC )
8-Mei-2011 005°,26'01 Kreeft MC 30 C-11
20-Mei-2011 003°,02'18 Vissen Maan 120 OND C--2
20-Mei-2011 003°,02'59 Vissen Maan * FOMALHAUT (VENUS - MERC )
23-Mei-2011 003°,10'45 Vissen Maan 150 Mars
25-Mei-2011 003°,03'10 Scorpio C--2 135 Merc

2-Jun-2011 003°,34'47 Vissen Maan 90 OND C--3
10-Jun-2011 007°,50'00 Maagd C-12 30 Pars
17-Jun-2011 022°,28'22 Maagd Merc 45 OND C-11

20-Jun-2011 004°,16'36 Vissen Maan 180 OND Drac
21-Jun-2011 004°,17'41 Vissen Maan 150 Plu
26-Jun-2011 004°,29'35 Vissen Maan 90 OND Ura
27-Jun-2011 004°,32'13 Vissen Maan * DENEB ADIGE (VENUS - MERC )
28-Jun-2011 007°,52'40 Maagd C-12 0 Drac
28-Jun-2011 +08°,37'01 C-12 // Drac

3-Jul-2011 004°,45'31 Vissen Maan 180 AR04
11-Jul-2011 003°,09'58 Stier C--8 * SHARATAN (MARS - SAT )
16-Jul-2011 005°,16'34 Vissen Maan 150 OND Asc
16-Jul-2011 003°,10'45 Scorpio C--2 90 Mars
17-Jul-2011 +03°,06'31 Merc # Pars
17-Jul-2011 005°,18'50 Vissen Maan 90 Sat
20-Jul-2011 005°,26'01 Vissen Maan 90 C-11
25-Jul-2011 005°,37'42 Vissen Maan 120 OND MC

1-Aug-2011 005°,18'50 Weegsch. Asc 120 Sat
8-Aug-2011 006°,09'37 Vissen Maan 150 OND Plu
9-Aug-2011 006°,10'50 Vissen Maan 180 AR07
27-Aug-2011 006°,53'36 Vissen Maan 120 AR10

6-Sep-2011 008°,03'02 Maagd C-12 30 Asc
9-Sep-2011 007°,22'12 Vissen Maan 120 ZMnT
13-Sep-2011 008°,04'10 Vissen C--6 * SKAT (SAT - JUP )
18-Sep-2011 007°,42'20 Vissen Maan 150 OND C-11
18-Sep-2011 +23°,19'14 Plu // OND MC
21-Sep-2011 007°,50'00 Vissen Maan 150 Pars
22-Sep-2011 005°,26'01 Weegsch. Asc 120 C-11
22-Sep-2011 007°,52'40 Vissen Maan 180 Drac
27-Sep-2011 008°,03'02 Vissen Maan 150 Asc
27-Sep-2011 008°,04'10 Vissen Maan * SKAT (SAT - JUP )
28-Sep-2011 008°,06'22 Vissen Maan 180 OND C-12

2-Okt-2011 008°,14'42 Vissen Maan 120 C-12
9-Okt-2011 015°,59'34 Maagd Mars 60 AR01
16-Okt-2011 -08°,37'01 Maan # Drac

1-Nov-2011 023°,03'02 Maagd Merc 45 Asc

On 20 october 2011 death of Muammar A. M. Gaddafi he has no progressive aspect.
But on this day works aspect 1 november 2011: Merc 45 Asc., because progressive Mercurius enters the 24 degree of Virgo and rules the progressive houses nine and twelfh.


Datum: 19-6-2011
Geb.uur : 08h,01m53s,5 G.M.T.: 07h,01m53s,5 Pr. S.T.: 06h,24m07s,54
Prog.Datum Efem.: 26/8/1942 Efem.Tijd: 07h,02m19s,3

MC 05°,32'11,9 Kreeft Decl. +23°,19'51,1
C-11 07°,28'38,3 Leeuw Decl. +18°,24'26,0
C-12 07°,51'19,2 Maagd Decl. +08°,37'33,9
Asc 05°,12'41,6 Weegsch. Decl. -02°,04'16,5
C--2 03°,06'40,9 Scorpio Decl. -12°,33'14,1
C--3 03°,37'09,7 Boogsch. Decl. -20°,52'58,7

Zonneboog-afstand: +00°,00'00,000
Planeten Declinaties Dagsnelheden Aflopend gesorteerd

Zon 02°,25'07,6 Maagd Dec. +10°,36'55,8 Snelh. +00°,57'53,0 Maan 04°,12'41,9 Vissen
Maan 04°,12'41,9 Vissen Dec. -09°,57'56,9 Snelh. +14°,10'10,0 Nep 28°,36'35,1 Maagd
Merc 22°,28'49,9 Maagd Dec. +03°,09'53,6 Snelh. +01°,32'45,0 Merc 22°,28'49,9 Maagd
Ven 11°,11'23,4 Leeuw Dec. +18°,02'42,7 Snelh. +01°,13'23,0 Mars 15°,47'46,2 Maagd
Mars 15°,47'46,2 Maagd Dec. +06°,29'11,8 Snelh. +00°,38'14,0 Drac 04°,16'36,8 Maagd
Jup 16°,44'05,6 Kreeft Dec. +22°,22'25,8 Snelh. +00°,11'20,0 Zon 02°,25'07,6 Maagd
Sat 11°,43'30,4 Tweeling Dec. +20°,23'46,3 Snelh. +00°,03'08,0 Ven 11°,11'23,4 Leeuw
Ura 04°,29'33,7 Tweeling Dec. +20°,53'05,6 Snelh. +00°,00'45,0 Plu 06°,09'24,1 Leeuw
Nep 28°,36'35,1 Maagd Dec. +01°,44'00,7 Snelh. +00°,02'02,0 Jup 16°,44'05,6 Kreeft
Plu 06°,09'24,1 Leeuw Dec. +23°,19'18,5 Snelh. +00°,01'34,0 Sat 11°,43'30,4 Tweeling
Drac 04°,16'36,8 R Maagd Dec. +09°,56'38,2 Snelh. -00°,03'11,0 Ura 04°,29'33,7 Tweeling
Pars 07°,00'16,0 Ram Dec. +02°,46'52,3 Snelh. +00°,00'00,0 Pars 07°,00'16,0 Ram


Datum: 19-6-2012
Geb.uur : 08h,01m53s,5 G.M.T.: 07h,01m53s,5 Pr. S.T.: 06h,28m04s,59
Prog.Datum Efem.: 27/8/1942 Efem.Tijd: 07h,05m18s,6

MC 06°,26'40,7 Kreeft Decl. +23°,17'23,3
C-11 08°,23'42,2 Leeuw Decl. +18°,10'14,8
C-12 08°,45'36,2 Maagd Decl. +08°,17'16,6
Asc 06°,03'52,3 Weegsch. Decl. -02°,24'33,4
C--2 04°,00'07,6 Scorpio Decl. -12°,51'24,1
C--3 04°,31'13,3 Boogsch. Decl. -21°,03'03,1

Zonneboog-afstand: +00°,00'00,000
Planeten Declinaties Dagsnelheden Aflopend gesorteerd

Zon 03°,23'08,7 Maagd Dec. +10°,16'01,8 Snelh. +00°,57'55,0 Maan 18°,15'26,5 Vissen
Maan 18°,15'26,5 Vissen Dec. -05°,49'33,6 Snelh. +13°,51'15,0 Nep 28°,38'38,2 Maagd
Merc 24°,01'05,3 Maagd Dec. +02°,26'11,1 Snelh. +01°,31'23,0 Merc 24°,01'05,3 Maagd
Ven 12°,24'57,1 Leeuw Dec. +17°,44'24,9 Snelh. +01°,13'26,0 Mars 16°,26'06,2 Maagd
Mars 16°,26'06,2 Maagd Dec. +06°,13'58,1 Snelh. +00°,38'16,0 Drac 04°,13'25,7 Maagd
Jup 16°,55'24,5 Kreeft Dec. +22°,21'07,1 Snelh. +00°,11'15,0 Zon 03°,23'08,7 Maagd
Sat 11°,46'35,8 Tweeling Dec. +20°,24'03,2 Snelh. +00°,03'02,0 Ven 12°,24'57,1 Leeuw
Ura 04°,30'17,8 Tweeling Dec. +20°,53'13,7 Snelh. +00°,00'42,0 Plu 06°,10'58,2 Leeuw
Nep 28°,38'38,2 Maagd Dec. +01°,43'11,1 Snelh. +00°,02'03,0 Jup 16°,55'24,5 Kreeft
Plu 06°,10'58,2 Leeuw Dec. +23°,19'01,7 Snelh. +00°,01'34,0 Sat 11°,46'35,8 Tweeling
Drac 04°,13'25,7 R Maagd Dec. +09°,57'47,7 Snelh. -00°,03'11,0 Ura 04°,30'17,8 Tweeling
Pars 20°,56'10,1 Ram Dec. +08°,10'26,3 Snelh. +00°,00'00,0 Pars 20°,56'10,1 Ram
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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 5:07 pm    Post subject: Rectified horoscope Muammar A. M. Gaddafi (fictief). Reply with quote

I have rectified also the horoscope of Saif al Islam Gaddafi and Libya 3 september 1969.

These horoscopes can be seen on my website: www.andrieshendrikc.jouwweb.nl or search for "Gecorrigeerde horoscoop Muammar A. M. Gaddafi".

The Libya revolt started on 15 february 2011 and will end on Saturday 22 october 2011 and lastet 250 days.
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Posted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 8:04 pm    Post subject: Rectified horoscope Muammar A. M. Gaddafi (fictief). Reply with quote



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Posted: Sun Oct 23, 2011 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The chart for Muammar Gaddafi seems quite correct because Saturn is in the 10th house – a sure sign of fall from power.

Also, Scorpio is on the 4th-house cusp. The 4th house governs “the end of matters”, so this Mars-ruled sign seems to reflect his violent end.
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The chart for Muammar Gaddafi seems quite correct because Saturn is in the 10th house – a sure sign of fall from power.

Also, Scorpio is on the 4th-house cusp. The 4th house governs “the end of matters”, so this Mars-ruled sign seems to reflect his violent end.


It may look quite attractive but we really have no idea if it is actually 'correct' as you state. Its the dilemma with all rectifications. How can we ever know they are right? Haven't you had the experience of natal charts where things surprise you a little you and dont fit neatly into place? Thats the problem with rectifications as we naturally select a time that fits our preconceptions. In reality the universe isn't always that straightforward.

Having said all this I would be very interested to know more on how this rectification was derived. All I see is a data download and no real explanation. I also dont read Dutch. Were key events in Gadaffi's life checked out? Which ones? How was the rising sign derived? Sharing that kind of process is much more instructive in my view than being overwhelmed with with loads of data.

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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark, if you call yourself an astrologer it will be easy to you to give a more detailed and reasonable commend.
But I conclude that you are lazy in this.
The progressive aspects on date are connected with the radix horoscope and events, which can be find on internet easily.
I have done the most possible research to correct these horoscopes.
I do believe that I did the rectifications very well.
But indeed in this case there be needed an astrologer, who knows all secrets of astrology.
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Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Mark, if you call yourself an astrologer it will be easy to you to give a more detailed and reasonable commend.


Hello Andries,

I can understand that my comments were not the kind of feedback you wanted to hear. Your irritation is excusable. I see no profit in trading insults with you. However, this site is not just a platform to promote your analysis. You are expected to be able to engage with contrasting points of view. Otherwise why post in a public forum at all?

My comments were not based on one isolated post by you. You have been posting like this on Skyscript for many years ( I assume you have had to re-join recently). Frankly I do find your rectification posts quite frustrating. Usually, what I call a 'drive by post' settting out your data and then a link promoting your website. You generally give us a page of data with little or no explanation.

Moreover, this is the first time I ever recall you actually replying to a post in a thread you created. That is why I do actually welcome your intervention here at last!

If I understand your approach you state you use the technique of Dutch astrologer Jan Bernard Gieles and his predictive system? I dont think this system is that well known in English language astrology. Maybe you could explain what that is to those of us unfamiliar with it. You also seem to use secondary progressions, transits and Sabian degree symbols.

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The progressive aspects on date are connected with the radix horoscope and events, which can be find on internet easily.


Its easy to find the date of Gaddafi's birth yes. However, this doesn't address the question of how you settled on this exact time. I only seem to see dates quite recently. What key events in his life before 2011 are you relying on? I assume you haven't developed your rectification from just events this year?

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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it is more than time to Mr Cats to remove himself or be removed from the forum. I have asked him several times to post in the format appropriate to the forum (proper space and format for adult discussion) or to post a link in the news session.
All my request have been ignored, and I now see that besides having problems with the common sense, he is also a very polite person.

Mr Cats, I ask you again and for the last time, publish your posts only if you want to elaborate a discussion with forum members. Any other posts in the same format will be erased as soon as I see them.
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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

25-Okt-2011 003°,01'36 Scorpio C-12 45 Jup
25-Okt-2011 022°,14'29 Scorpio Asc 30 C--2

These are the progressive aspects of the horoscope of Silvio Berlusconi for today.
Do you know what happened? See internet.

I rectified more than 570 interesting horoscopes with and without known birthtime very seriously.

I find this forum not serious with all inventions of different systems and 12 hour horoscopes etc.

I have my own website on astrology rectifications.


Astrology is not my only interest in live.

I wanted to know the truth so I look in the stars.


My pars frt is 27 degrees Aries.

My ascendant is 1 degree Libra and my MC 1 degree Cancer.

I have Moon ruler MC in tenth house and also Saturn and Draconis.

I shall not enter your Forum again.

Best wishes.
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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Cats
I believe your seriousness is obvious, as it is reflected in your politeness and in your clear emotional balance.

Please, do not waste your time in a non-serious forum.

Yuzuru
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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One interesting astrological point to emerge from all this is that I see Adries is using a different date for Gaddafi's date of birth (19th of June) from the one commonly given (7th of June) in the majority of astrological sites.

Checking out Wikipedia I see they are only stating his birth as June 1942 now with the following footnote:

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Some sources, such as a BBC Obituary Muammar Gaddafi, give the date as 7 June. Other sources say June 1942; others say "Spring of 1942" (Encyclopedia of the Modern Middle East, 2004) or "September 1942" (Encyclopedia of World Biography, 1998)


While several astrological sites have gone with June 7th , June 19th has its supporters too. I have also seen a June 6th rectification.

In short its not only Gaddafi's time of birth that is uncertain. It is his date of birth too!

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Posted: Tue Oct 25, 2011 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The day that we see sun sign rectification is the day astrology is legitimately relegated to the realm of quackery.
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For the last time I have to inform you that the Berlusconi prediction of 25 october 2011 seems to be right.
Twelve house cusp 45 degrees his radix jupiter. (45 degrees is an important break aspect): I read today that an Italian paper from Rome said that Berlusconi shall retreat on 1 januari 2012 (progressive aspect Moon 30 degrees Mercurius (mutual).
I rectified the horoscope of Berlusconi long time ago and have since than controlled it when an important event occured.

About the Gieles minus 1 system (minus 1 year) very simple in construction can be informed by Johan Ligteneigen, Almere, the Netherlands: JLigteneigen@hetnet.nl.
He has a website which you can look at.
He is an astrologer, who has designed a perfect astrological computercalculation program Newcomb; there is also available an English version (the newest Dutch version is a little bit more precise and in my opinion perfect.
These programs contain also the Gieles minus 1 system.

Johan Ligteneigen was in the past connected with Jan Bernard Gieles the inventor of the system for which he wrote astrological articles in Gieles his monthly paper Sagittarius and he developed for him the computer calculation program Newcomb.

Jan Bernard Gieles has passed some years ago and he had in the Netherlands and Belgium a lot oif supporters, rectified everyones horoscopes, gave astrological advises.

He did not call himself an astrologer but an astrological student.
One of his startling predictions was that of the fall of Richard Nixon in 1974.
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My feeling on the subject is that I have no problem if astrologers want to rectify charts.

But

I personally don't bother with other people's retifications unless they outline the technique and whole process that they used to get there in a way that I can work through it myself to confirm ( and a whole load of aspects without context doesn't do that so i would discount it as a explanation). Wthout that the astrologer could have just invented the time.

So given my 'rule' for personal use of them, hardly anyone presents rectifications in a way that I would ever feel justified in using the results.
But as I said I am not averse to them on principle.

However back to the chart that this thread is about: Gadaafi. And I do have a very big problem with this being published now.

The only reason I can see to do rectifications is in order to make useful future predictions about the subject. Gadaafi is dead. What useful work can we do with this rectification in future? None I think. So it is, in my personal view, completely pointless. And the same would apply for any dead person.

I suppose, though, that the discussion of that issue is really for the thread in the philosophy and science section entitled 'what is the purpose of astrology?'
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Posted: Wed Oct 26, 2011 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I suppose, though, that the discussion of that issue is really for the thread in the philosophy and science section entitled 'what is the purpose of astrology?'

There are many, Amelia, including killing time on the internet, and having a false sense of accomplishment by trying to raise fans on online foruns.
:-P

Of course there is also the old purpose of making predictions, but this would be hard work and nobody wants THAT.
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