Sex Addict Chart 1 by Talia This is a serious question. How do you look at a chart asking 'is he a sex addict?' I would like to map out the steps beforehand. (I've not made the chart yet.) Look at his turned L5 ruler's health? Or take L1 to be him? Quote Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:59 pm
2 by Tanit Wow. I am sure some astrologers out there have studied this area of astrology and might give some of their wisdom. I would think natal would be more helpful, and in studying charts of sex addicts (comparing them to his chart for any connections). For example, Tiger Woods, Henry VIII, Michael Douglas, Bill Clinton, etc. There is an article on Skyscript related to Casanova: http://www.skyscript.co.uk/casanova.html If you don't have access to his natal, then you might want to turn a horary chart and analyze his house, his significator, his dispositor, the next aspect the Moon makes and perhaps his 5th house/5th ruler (probably the sign and placement of the Sun also and its relationship to Venus). Unfortunately, horary is not a natal chart, but it can still provide a lot of information. There is much debate as to causation, but to me it generally seems much like an illness that is perhaps more so a mental illness rather than physiological, which starts to meander out of 5th house activity. There could be a bigger issue, such as a personality disorder. Also, signifying sexual issues using traditional methods is tricky at best. Some may not feel it is even a valid issue to address. As Deb says in "Questioning our Horaries": The reason why there is so much confusion about which house rules sex is because ancient astrologers were never so impudent in the questions they sought heavenly guidance upon. Of course there may be very sincere questions asked concerning sex or matters of a sexual nature... Quote Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:44 am
3 by Yuriy "Duchovny's announcement that he was voluntarily going into rehab for sex addiction after years of denying he had a problem, threw a spotlight on a disorder that few celebrities, and even fewer ordinary men and women, admit to. Often likened to alcoholism, drug addiction or gambling, sex addiction is a form of compulsive behavior which is sending growing numbers of people into therapy but which is not formally recognized as a "diagnosable disorder" by the American Psychiatric Association. "The concept of sexual addiction is a controversial one and that's because it is difficult to define," said Dr. Steve Eichel, an addiction specialist who works in Delaware. "There are a lot of people who are critical of the concept because we live in a society that tends to over medicalize and which makes every behavior, which deviates from the norm, an addiction or a disorder," Eichel said. Sexual health experts estimate that about 3-5 percent of Americans have the disorder, including women." So, here is David Duchovny's "cosmogramm" (time is unknown) http://nancyfenn.blogspot.com/2008/09/blog-post.html So far just Venus in Leo with Leo Sun, in applying opposition to Moon. And trine/sextile of retro-Jupiter in Sagittarius to those. Quote Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:38 pm
4 by Carol Since it's supposedly an "addiction" or at least self-destructive behavior, in horary wouldn't we look mainly to the 12th as the quesited? Quote Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:12 pm
Re: Sex Addict Chart 5 by pankajdubey Talia wrote:This is a serious question. How do you look at a chart asking 'is he a sex addict?' I would like to map out the steps beforehand. (I've not made the chart yet.) Look at his turned L5 ruler's health? Or take L1 to be him? The answer was there, you weren't looking Venus is in taurus conjunct algol at the time of your post Quote Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:52 pm
Re: Sex Addict Chart 6 by Talia pankajdubey wrote:Talia wrote:This is a serious question. How do you look at a chart asking 'is he a sex addict?' I would like to map out the steps beforehand. (I've not made the chart yet.) Look at his turned L5 ruler's health? Or take L1 to be him? The answer was there, you weren't looking Venus is in taurus conjunct algol at the time of your post I'm not sure how valid that is or what you're really saying? Please explain. I was thinking about this question a while before I posted. Leo Bascalia, Dr. Love had Venus in Taurus conjunct Algol as well. Lovely man when I had met him. Last edited by Talia on Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:46 pm, edited 1 time in total. Quote Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:28 pm
7 by Talia Tanit wrote:Wow. I am sure some astrologers out there have studied this area of astrology and might give some of their wisdom. I would think natal would be more helpful, and in studying charts of sex addicts (comparing them to his chart for any connections). For example, Tiger Woods, Henry VIII, Michael Douglas, Bill Clinton, etc. There is an article on Skyscript related to Casanova: http://www.skyscript.co.uk/casanova.html If you don't have access to his natal, then you might want to turn a horary chart and analyze his house, his significator, his dispositor, the next aspect the Moon makes and perhaps his 5th house/5th ruler (probably the sign and placement of the Sun also and its relationship to Venus). Unfortunately, horary is not a natal chart, but it can still provide a lot of information. There is much debate as to causation, but to me it generally seems much like an illness that is perhaps more so a mental illness rather than physiological, which starts to meander out of 5th house activity. There could be a bigger issue, such as a personality disorder. Also, signifying sexual issues using traditional methods is tricky at best. Some may not feel it is even a valid issue to address. As Deb says in "Questioning our Horaries": The reason why there is so much confusion about which house rules sex is because ancient astrologers were never so impudent in the questions they sought heavenly guidance upon. Of course there may be very sincere questions asked concerning sex or matters of a sexual nature... This is good info. I will look more. Quote Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:30 pm
8 by Talia First thanks for all tips above. The chart is below. Sorry for forgetting to take out the aspect lines. I can change if asked but this was already uploaded. He is L7. Jupiter person in peregrine state. Ruled by Venus or literally love you could say. Not in bad house (turned) and his dispositor is in the best of shape. I don't see this benefic character ruled by Venus as a sex-addict at all> But not so quick. As Tanit commented, look to L5 ruler. Sun. It is strong in his first house. Exalted, in face and triplicity. Strong drive? Raw energy of life itself. I see health and initiation, but not illness. Impatience and selfishness, would come from a demanding Arian nature, Uranus is there too but we don't necessarily count that. Its telling nevertheless. Here's the worry. His turned L6 ruler is Mercury in Pisces retrograding and in H12. I see some problem here. His health ruler in this case is in detriment and fall. What to make of this? I don't think its complete confirmation, maybe his Sun in Aries habits, placing too much emphasis on sex is making it too much of a priority? Cusp of his health is on REGULUS. Another strength of health. Mercury exalts Venus in Pisces. This again is a nod to love. A love in rulership. And not anything driven by addiction I see. Quote Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:05 pm
9 by Tanit I hate to challenge anyone's judgement, but the Sun exalted in the derived first makes me wonder about Narcissism, which is a complex often associated with sexual addiction. As we have discussed before in this forum regarding thieves, even well dignified planets don't always behave in ways that are the most favorable. The Sun in Aries can be quite selfish, as you mentioned. With Uranus also involved with the Moon and his house, I especially would wonder about ego issues and selfishness. Perhaps he just has a healthy sex drive, but the Sun is in aversion to Venus and in its own exaltation and Venus' detriment, which again emphasizes some selfishness. The Sun is "chasing" Venus by Venus being occidental, which is the correct placement of the Sun and would suggest an aggressive male. His turned L6 ruler is Mercury in Pisces retrograding and in H12. I would regard Mercury within the 5 degree cusp rule for the 7th house, which would be his 6th ruler in his 1st (this is generally an indication of illness). Mercury is currently conjunct Markab, retrograde and obviously essentially very poor. Mercury tends to represent mental issues. I also don't like Mars in the radical 12th opposite Neptune. I know that it's not aspecting any of the key planets, other than a separating aspect to Jupiter (and an out of sign aspect to Venus) but it's evident in Tiger Woods' chart and I usually think of some sexual perversion when I see a male with Mars peregrine, retro and opposite Neptune (in natal, though - this is horary)! I tend to look at the outer planets a bit more than most, however. Anyway, just my two cents! I am definitely not an expert on this issue. I would think with the Moon applying to trine a dignified Sun in his house suggests some normality and health at the very least. Perhaps a bit out of the norm but not in the psychotic realm... Is he very young (probably not with Jupiter as his significator, but perhaps age will temper him)? Quote Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:14 am
10 by Talia I hate to challenge anyone's judgement, but the Sun exalted in the derived first makes me wonder about Narcissism, which is a complex often associated with sexual addiction. I want to be challenged to learn to read better. Your insight is appreciated. With Uranus also involved with the Moon and his house, I especially would wonder about ego issues and selfishness. Uranus is trine the Moon I took to be preferring to live life in his own way, regardless of others attitudes. Taking bold steps to be himself. Making excitement out of the mundane. Perhaps he just has a healthy sex drive, but the Sun is in aversion to Venus and in its own exaltation and Venus' detriment, which again emphasizes some selfishness. The Sun is "chasing" Venus by Venus being occidental, which is the correct placement of the Sun and would suggest an aggressive male. Skirt-chaser, probably a player after his own satisfaction. I see what you mean. I usually think of some sexual perversion when I see a male with Mars peregrine, retro and opposite Neptune I see Mars Rx too as troublesome. But in Pisces not Virgo. I have to park this idea for now. Is he very young (probably not with Jupiter as his significator, but perhaps age will temper him)? He is Jupiter age. Early 40s. Quote Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:43 am
11 by Clinton Soule Talia said: How do you look at a chart asking 'is he a sex addict?' I would like to map out the steps beforehand. (I've not made the chart yet.) It would be nice to see the horoscope of the horary and give the birth data of the query. Of course with the present Mercury Rx, the communication problem is evident. Is Talia, our Forum poster, asking the question or another as our querant? The 5th is the house of romances and the pleasureable side of sexuality. Yet the 5th is Not nessasarily a house of sexual penetration, but romance and courtship. I.E. I know personally of a woman who has had many relationships and suitors, many, did I say many romances, yet has Not had sexual penetration nor fellatio and as a Virgo Sun she maintains her 9th house religious sexual mores and is slightly under 50 years old and very much a beauty as a few Hollywood actress's. This describes what can be or May be a possible romance addict yet Not a sex addict. The 8th is the house of both intercourse and oral sex so the quesited has to involve the 8th, yet other posters have hinted at the 12th of self-undoing as the probable house. Again, it would be nice to see the chart data, the horoscope, and of whom is the querant posted intially rather in vague form; more arstists may respond if we did make our posts easier to understand. Talia, if you give the Time, Place, and Date, I'm sure someone will most likely post the chart that all can view. Clinton Garrett Soule Wise men truly know how little they know Quote Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:52 pm
12 by Talia Clinton Soule wrote:Talia said: How do you look at a chart asking 'is he a sex addict?' I would like to map out the steps beforehand. (I've not made the chart yet.) It would be nice to see the horoscope of the horary and give the birth data of the query. Of course with the present Mercury Rx, the communication problem is evident. Is Talia, our Forum poster, asking the question or another as our querant? The 5th is the house of romances and the pleasureable side of sexuality. Yet the 5th is Not nessasarily a house of sexual penetration, but romance and courtship. I.E. I know personally of a woman who has had many relationships and suitors, many, did I say many romances, yet has Not had sexual penetration nor fellatio and as a Virgo Sun she maintains her 9th house religious sexual mores and is slightly under 50 years old and very much a beauty as a few Hollywood actress's. This describes what can be or May be a possible romance addict yet Not a sex addict. The 8th is the house of both intercourse and oral sex so the quesited has to involve the 8th, yet other posters have hinted at the 12th of self-undoing as the probable house. Again, it would be nice to see the chart data, the horoscope, and of whom is the querant posted intially rather in vague form; more arstists may respond if we did make our posts easier to understand. Talia, if you give the Time, Place, and Date, I'm sure someone will most likely post the chart that all can view. Clinton Garrett Soule Wise men truly know how little they know Our founding fathers in horary certainly never had much of this type of dilemma. L5 or 8. And sorry I do not how how the chart disappeared. April 1, 2012 Lewiston - NY, good ol USofA 6:10 PM Quote Tue Apr 03, 2012 10:52 pm