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aquastella

your post is a fine example of why relying on one astro factor to express a high degree of confidence on the outcome is a poor way to do astrology..

same goes for the undue obsession with mercury retro which seemed to cloud many astrologers viewpoint on this election..

now i guess all those who got it right can open the door up to hubris in thinking it was due there superior technical knowledge or particular approach, overlooking others who might have used similar techniques and came to the opposite position here.. at least a few folks stuck their neck out and made a prediction!

lucky or unlucky guesses, that's all..

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James_M wrote:
....same goes for the undue obsession with mercury retro which seemed to cloud many astrologers viewpoint on this election..
Yep. I think I demonstrated that in the thread that looked at previous elections with Mercury Rx.

James_M
now i guess all those who got it right can open the door up to hubris in thinking it was due there superior technical knowledge or particular approach, overlooking others who might have used similar techniques and came to the opposite position here.. at least a few folks stuck their neck out and made a prediction!
Well put!
lucky or unlucky guesses, that's all..
Well thats the view of many. Its a bit over cynical for me. I do hold out the hope we can learn from experiences like this and improve our technique. However, I think we should probably wait until we call our third or fourth election correctly before thinking we are on to something astrologically.

Any astrologer feeling a bit smug about the accuracy of their predictive technique following this result might want to keep this in mind:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_the_Octopus

I have yet to see any astrologer come close to the success of Paul the Octopus at the last World Cup. :shock:

Mark
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As thou conversest with the heavens, so instruct and inform thy minde according to the image of Divinity William Lilly

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hi mark,

paul the octopus is just a lucky guesser,lol...

i do remember all the work you went to the trouble of doing on past elections and mercury retro and while i neglected to mention that, i did really dig the fact you had done that.. thanks again for doing that!

me cynical? i suppose... i see astrology floundering in the darkness for the most part and astrologers being arrogant enough to think they actually know a lot based on not much of anything.. i wish there was more curiousity rather then less.. it seems to me folks are so attached to their particular approach they can't get beyond there particular approach.. i suppose i can be accused of having one too, but i maintain we know a lot less about astrology then we think we do and i would be the first person to shoot down someone else for thinking they know all that much about astrology, lol... thanks for initiating this thread and providing some ongoing juice to the conversation!

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Romney does have some very spectacular things happening in 2016 and 2024. Should he choose to run again, I would most likely predict a Romney victory in either of those years. He reaches his 10th from fortune in ZR and annual 10th house profection in 2016 and then after the bond loosing from Capricorn to Cancer, both the exaltation lord and domicile lord (Jupiter/Moon) are encountered in the 10th from fortune in 2024. Also the annual profection of 2024 of the ascendant hands over to Scorpio (his 10th from fortune). Both of those years are extremely brilliant for him whatever he chooses to do.
Curtis Manwaring
Zoidiasoft Technologies, LLC

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james_m wrote:aquastella

your post is a fine example of why relying on one astro factor to express a high degree of confidence on the outcome is a poor way to do astrology..

same goes for the undue obsession with mercury retro which seemed to cloud many astrologers viewpoint on this election..

now i guess all those who got it right can open the door up to hubris in thinking it was due there superior technical knowledge or particular approach, overlooking others who might have used similar techniques and came to the opposite position here.. at least a few folks stuck their neck out and made a prediction!

lucky or unlucky guesses, that's all..
Well, it was near unanimous that everyone expected Mercury Rx to cause more problems than this. Perhaps the fact that most voting occurred before the actual onset of Rx helped bail it out, but stations have been noted for causing problems too. One theory has it that stationing planets are actually more powerful because they concentrate their energy in one place, like holding your hand over a candle?

I?ve shown how the same symbolism can be interpreted both ways in my prediction. Every astrologer should be able to do this and if you can?t see a plausible scenario where either side can win, then either it will be a landslide or you haven?t been practicing astrology long enough.
Curtis Manwaring
Zoidiasoft Technologies, LLC

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Interesting what SA astrologer Choudry said:

"The presence of Sun and Mercury in the tenth house, of Saturn the tenth lord in
the third house and of the Moon being lord of the third house in the seventh
house take the person to politics. The third house is the house of leadership.
I saw ( i )the weakness of the Sun and the Sun like planet, Moon, in his chart (
ii ) the influence of Rahu on Venus ( iii) transit Saturn in the sixth house (iv
) transit Sun in the sixth house ( v ) the prolonged transit influence of Rahu
and Ketu on his natal Moon and Jupiter which would obstruct the success"

We tropical astrologers would probably think his Sun is strong because it was in 10 th house, ignoring that sideral Sun in Aquarius is weak

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damon wrote:Interesting what SA astrologer Choudry said:

"The presence of Sun and Mercury in the tenth house, of Saturn the tenth lord in
the third house and of the Moon being lord of the third house in the seventh
house take the person to politics. The third house is the house of leadership.
I saw ( i )the weakness of the Sun and the Sun like planet, Moon, in his chart (
ii ) the influence of Rahu on Venus ( iii) transit Saturn in the sixth house (iv
) transit Sun in the sixth house ( v ) the prolonged transit influence of Rahu
and Ketu on his natal Moon and Jupiter which would obstruct the success"

We tropical astrologers would probably think his Sun is strong because it was in 10 th house, ignoring that sideral Sun in Aquarius is weak
Choudhary uses Jyotish techniques and then Sun in Aquarius is not considered in detriment.That is a western sidereal concept.So,in all probability, he is talking of some other concept of weakness(like being in a debilitated 9th division- eg: in Libra in D-9).
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This not a post event gloating.

I used two techniques, both fateful and fatalististic- they worked.

Obama and Romney- Synastry.
John Kerry's fate pushing Obama.

Let us see if Kerry is the next Secretary of State.

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Curtis wrote:
Perhaps the fact that most voting occurred before the actual onset of Rx helped bail it out,
This raises an interesting question and Geoffrey Cornelius wrote a book about it. Are inception charts the only way to go? I don't know the answer, but it is an important question.

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I think it's time for a lot of astrologers to rethink Mercury retrograde.

It amazes me that it is such an astrological bogeyman, yet somehow a lot of planes still fly on time, good contracts get signed, elections proceed without hitch, and so on.

Don't get me wrong, folks: I am no religious fundamentalist, so atheists please don't bite my head off: but last night the biblical injunction against prognostication popped into my head. It is basically that God can alter the outcome of mundane events, thus confounding the prognosticators' predictions (Isaiah 47:13). With the election predicted to be so close, the religious people amongst us might wonder.

And also, darned if I know how one can predict whether an election will go either way. I think you can tell if a candidate will have a good or bad day, if his chart is or is not a good match with the national chart of your choice, and so on. You can look at a mundane chart and draw some inferences from it, but I am not sure it can capture the complexity of the US electoral system

No doubt Romney is deeply disappointed, but for the astrologers who predicted his election, we could imagine that, as a man of faith surrounded by his adoring (and extensive) family and with his millions to console him, he was able to pull some goodness out of last night's defeat.

Moreover, the pundits are moving on from chewing over the election to talking about the impending US "fiscal cliff." The world and the US are by no means beyond global economic crisis. Winning the Presidency could turn out to be a terrible burden for Barack Obama. (The poisoned chalice.)

Today's pundits are saying that Romney lost primarily because he offended Hispanic voters and due to high African American turn-out. So this looks like demographics and identity politics to me. Not sure if one can or should model these variables into an astrological prediction.

As you just pointed out, the popularity of early voting (with Oregon and Washington state entirely on a mail-in ballot system now) may blow the efficacy of inception charts out of the water.

Anyway, it's all been very interesting.

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pankajdubey wrote:
damon wrote:Interesting what SA astrologer Choudry said:

"The presence of Sun and Mercury in the tenth house, of Saturn the tenth lord in
the third house and of the Moon being lord of the third house in the seventh
house take the person to politics. The third house is the house of leadership.
I saw ( i )the weakness of the Sun and the Sun like planet, Moon, in his chart (
ii ) the influence of Rahu on Venus ( iii) transit Saturn in the sixth house (iv
) transit Sun in the sixth house ( v ) the prolonged transit influence of Rahu
and Ketu on his natal Moon and Jupiter which would obstruct the success"

We tropical astrologers would probably think his Sun is strong because it was in 10 th house, ignoring that sideral Sun in Aquarius is weak
Choudhary uses Jyotish techniques and then Sun in Aquarius is not considered in detriment.That is a western sidereal concept.So,in all probability, he is talking of some other concept of weakness(like being in a debilitated 9th division- eg: in Libra in D-9).
Ill have a look