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Izabela Podlaska



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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 12:41 pm    Post subject: The Fork-fish Reply with quote

Hello!
Does anyone know what kind of fish it is "The Fork-fish"? It's from William Lilly's "Christian Astrology" Book I, chapter X p. 68? I'm working on polish translation of this text and I'm stucked on this fish. Thank you for your help!

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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

not sure but given the group and characteristics it is mentioned with, it is likely to be a fork tailed catfish.
Cat fish have the barbels(whiskers) and so do the barbels and many of them have poisonous sting as well.
So, it fits the lumping of the group with
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all stinking worms and scorpions
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It seems the Barbels were quite prized in the Elizabethan period.
http://www.barbelsociety.co.uk/qanda.htm

Simpler still, you can ask Deb to print page 68 of her book- Annotated Lilly

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/pdf/CA_pages_57_68.pdf

This page is missing in the pdf but fork-fish is the next pdf is also listed under Mercury which co-rules the mullet.

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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you very much!
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Posted: Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Barbel is already mentioned in the Lilly's list of fishes:

[FISHES.] The Pike, the Shark. the Barbel, the Fork-fish, all stinking Worms, Scorpions.

Mayby I should ask Deb like you suggests.

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Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Izabela

It's the stingray. It was very hard to identify because it only goes by that name in historical texts, but here are three links to works were it is described:

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=qlTqn540OpMC&pg=PA143&dq=%22fork-fish%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2u5zUer8A8KS0QXH4oG4AQ&ved=0CEoQ6AEwAzgU#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://catalog.lambertvillelibrary.org/texts/Classics/pliny/history/pliny9.html

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=l2tm-oNWpFsC&pg=PA588&dq=pastinaca+fish&hl=en&sa=X&ei=a_JzUaLqJ-nI0AWklYCICQ&ved=0CFAQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=pastinaca%20fish&f=false

I hadn't realised that two pages were missing from the PDF panakjdubey referred you to, so I've re-uploaded that and it now includes the missing pages.

I've also uploaded the latest pages that I've been working on, but haven't had time to create links to it yet - I'll probably be able to do that tomorrow. All the extracts are linked from this page
www.skyscript.co.uk/CA.html, but the latest addition can be downloaded directly from http://www.skyscript.co.uk/pdf/CA_pages_105_114.pdf

Good luck with your Polish translation!
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Izabela Podlaska



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Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you so much Deb, your comments to the CA are a goldmine to us! I let you know when a job will be finished.

All the best for you

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