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waybread



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Posted: Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

James, I've responded on your other thread.

My point being, if someone wants to ask whether astrology is an art or science, one first has to understand what science is and is not.
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Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I wonder how would some one statistically prove love, hate, desire, depression, enthusiasm, enough to live and enjoy life.

This is known as a strawman argument. Look it up on Wikipedia for an educational experience. In addition, since this is neither a forum nor thread about how one can best live and enjoy life, it's also completely beside the point. As for what wouldn't be beside the point, it should in principle be possible to statistically ascertain, or even just observe carefully, when people tend to fall in love, perhaps for instance when Jupiter transits conjunct, square or opposite its natal place, or when people tend to enter into more formal and relatively permanent relationships, perhaps for instance as Saturn transits conjunct, square or opposite natal Venus. Or one might notice that people often experience mild depression as Saturn transits conjunct, square or opposite natal Mercury, because it's a period of mental sobriety and loss of certainty, but that for a few people these periods regularly coincide with insights because a loss of certainty regarding current beliefs leaves room for alternatives. But that means treating astrology as a form of knowledge susceptible to investigation and improvement, not as a set of mysterious, magical procedures handed down from the gods.

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Life as we know exists outside the 'controlled' scientific laboratories.

One-celled life exists beyond the microscope slides through which biologists view such creatures, but we'd know precious little about them, less even than our 17th century predecessors, if we "viewed" them what creatures? with the naked eye in their natural settings. And laboratories, by the way, aren't where most science is done, except in the minds of those who know nothing about it.

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Astrology deals with 'uncontrolled' life.

If by uncontrolled life you're implying that there are no ascertainable patterns regarding what people are like or what they do, that they're by their very nature unknowable, you've just consigned not only psychology and sociology but also astrology to the trash heap of worthless activities. If you merely mean life not controlled in a laboratory setting, it's neither necessary nor desirable to limit oneself to inflexible, handed down astrological doctrines. You can for instance, discover the nature of patterning in human lives by reading and juxtaposing biographies or asking questions; and/or you can read or pursue developmental psychology. The latter does of course sometimes employ 'laboratory' settings. Let's say you've noticed via longitudinal studies that children at a certain age, for instance during the "age 7 crisis", regularly experience a shift in their reasoning. You can then investigate more closely the nature of that shift by putting individual children of different ages in a room with, say, "Vygotsky blocks", ask them to put together the ones that are "the same", and infer from what they do and how they do it (at different ages) the nature of their reasoning and gain a more close-grained understanding of how their reasoning changes during this transition. If that detracts from the romantic mysteriousness of having no idea whatsoever, astrological or otherwise, of what to expect in people's lives, that's a risk I'm prepared to take.

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Science or Scientists in their autistic frustration to cope with life itself, lash out at all people who turn to astrologers or religion to seek guidance instead of turning to socially incapable Scientists.

You really don't know much about science or scientists, or about the point of organized investigation and perception as opposed to simply believing what you want to believe by uncritically accepting the authority of ancient predecessors.
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