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Posted: Mon May 26, 2014 9:07 pm    Post subject: What is happening in the U..S. now and in the near future? Reply with quote

Watching the astonishing news from the U.S. day after day I decided to look at its most important progressions and transits.
Using any of the charts for July 4, the country is in quite a fix. The progressed Sun is passing through Pisces, from June 2005 to June 2035, and of course Neptune itself is passing through the sign from 2011 till 2025 and will catch up with the progressed Sun early in 2015. Progressed Mars has been retrograde since February 2007 and will be so until around November, 2083. There will be a Pluto return between 2021 and 2023 (when it will transit progressed Pluto.) This will happen with progressed Sun and transiting Neptune still in Pisces and Mars still retrograde. For part of this time, Neptune will be opposing its natal position.I would welcome any suggestion as to how to interpret all this.
Of course,as the Bavarians say, "no dish is eaten as hot as it's cooked."
What I have decided to do is to review all of these situations as they have unfolded in the country's past, and then, since its past is relatively short, those that have occurred in its mother country and closest analogy, England, using the charts for 1066 and that for the United Kingdom. England is still here after three Pluto returns, for instance, but some significant changes took place with each.
This is the U.S.'s first progression of the Sun through Pisces, but we can examine other contacts between the Sun and Neptune, and then the progressions of the English Sun through Pisces.
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 3:23 am    Post subject: What is happening in the U.S. now and in the near future? Reply with quote

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For contacts with thpe progressed and directed angles, I use the Efrein chart (July 4, 1776, 2:52:10 am LMT, Philadelphia, A=17 GE 43, M=24 PI 56).
The IC''s arc to natal Neptune, exact on August 28, 1806, coincided with the return of the Lewis and Clark Expedition to St .Louis (September 23) to report its findings to President Jefferson. As a result of this expedition, the U.S. could lay claim to the Oregon Territory and sovereignty over over the Indian nations it encountered within it, due to the Law of Discovery, which held that that Christian explorers could lay claim to any territory they discovered that was not subject to a Christian prince. The law was derived from a preceding papal Bull of 1493. This "Law of Discovery" was acknowledged by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1823, and helped to lay the foundation for the pioneer movement of the mid-nineteenth century; in the nearer term there was the beginning of the fur trade in the northern plains from 1820-1845.
The progression of natal Sun to natal Neptune in 1848, while Neptune itself was transiting Pisces, coincided with the California Gold Rush.
By November 20, 1864, Solar Arc Neptune had reached the natal Descendant. Of course this was during the concluding phase of the Civil War, where Neptune reflected the dissolving of the Union and the intense suffering of the whole nation. It was accompanied by Lincoln's landslide election on November 8 and Sherman's destructive March to the Sea (November 15-December 21).
It also coincided with two major gold strikes, that in Alder Gulch, Montana (now Virginia City) on May 26, 1863, and another at "Last Chance" (Now Helena, Montana) on July 14, 1864.
When the Solar Arc Ascendant reached natal Neptune in 1874, gold was discovered in the Black Hills, causing another rush and the displacement, suffering and sorrow of the native population.
When the progressed Ascendant reached natal Neptune in 1897, the Klondike stampede began.
It could be argued that the gold discoveries, while factual events, are also something of a delusion,since they they allow for the issuing of more money without increasing the domestic product. Gold itself is solid and real enough, but the high value placed upon it is a sort of shared fiction.




from 1806 until it was interrupted in 1812, then renewed in 1820-1845.
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820-1845.
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Posted: Tue May 27, 2014 3:33 am    Post subject: WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THE U.S. now and in the near future? Reply with quote

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My apologies. The fur trade began in 1806, was interrupted in 1812, then renewed in 1820-1845.
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 10:08 pm    Post subject: What is happening in the U.S. now and in the near future? Reply with quote

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A new consciousness of the possibility of "getting rich quick" and "striking it rich" began to diffuse through the population.
The discoveries could be linked to the U.S. Neptune in the fourth house, trine Pluto of underground riches, and in quintile relation to both Sun and Moon.
Neptune's transit through Pisces (1847-61), in the eleventh and twelfth houses of the Efrein chart, showed a heightened sense of the injustice of slavery giving birth to a vigorous abolition movement in the North.
The wide use of the new Daguerrotype helped to fuel the movement. People came to have a better idea of what a black person actually looked like. It was said the Daguerrotype actually enabled a person to see into the very soul of the person depicted, and they were widely used in anti-slavery propaganda.
At the same time, many southerners began to see themselves as an aristocratic chivalry and dreamed and schemed for a slaveholding empire stretching across the southern states and Central and South America.
For a while there were strivings at compromise, but with Neptune's ingress into Aries the Civil War broke out--accompanied by a belief that the soul could be cleansed by the fires of war ("The Battle Hymn of the Republic")
America's Neptune return took place in 1938-39, the beginning of the war in Europe. Many or most Americans thought or hoped we could keep out of it. Roosevelt, however, was secretly arming and helping Britain, and the secret Manhattan Project, which was to result in the atom bomb, was begun in those years. There were two World's Fairs in 1939, one in New York and one in San Francisco, celebrating "a century of progress." Everybody was singing "Somewhere, Over the Rainbow" from "The Wizard of Oz", the movie that came out that year.
The confusion experienced by the Sun's progression though Pisces together with Neptune's transit through that sign and the retrograde motion of Mars is what we are living through now.
I am going to use a chronological scheme to describe the analogous events in the history of England and Great Britain.
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Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,
Teiresias, I sent you private message take a peek. Michaelb
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This should give you a pretty good idea of where things are headed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6hffN0LFbs

This video has a very prominent Uranus / Pluto theme.

Just don't think that the rest of the world will be immune to what happens in the USA. The thing that the USA is best at is exporting violence. (aka democracy or mob rule)
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Thank you for pointing out Chris Hedges to me. I have seen what he's talking about and am glad he's talking out.
The rift between the left--including people like him--and the astrological community has always bothered me. What does Chris Hedges think of astrology? That it's elitist. And so many astrologers have worked mainly for the elite, living in the courts of kings and the like.
Hedges says the timber is dry and he doesn't know when the spark will ignite or when. Isn't that our job? The left could use advice from horary astrologers, of whom I'm not one, for instance. And maybe really bloody revolutions, like the French one, could have profited from astrological advice.
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Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:48 am    Post subject: What is happening in the U.S. now and in the near future? Reply with quote

The progressed Sun in Pisces in the U.S. chart began on June 6, 2005 and will remain in that sign until June 13, 2035. It is now at 9 PI. The country has two bodies in Pisces: Ceres at 8 PI 42 and Sedna at 15 PI 24; Ceres relates to the Earth Mother, farming, nutrition, and nurturing, and probably, as shown by the present situation, health care, and Sedna to the welfare of marine life. anger at the lack of respect for the natural world and particularly the animals we use for food. The plutoid is also mentioned in connection with droughts and floods. More will be evident when the progressed Sun reaches it in about 2020. In the meantime, as a preview, Sedna is slowly transiting the Sun for the State of Israel, showing a severe drought and water shortages in that country, being well managed by central planning but still resulting in loss of grazing land.
In the Efrein chart for the U.S.,Aquarius is on the MC and Pisces is part of the tenth and eleventh houses.

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The progression to Sedna is also close to the year of the Pluto return, around 2021.
Turning to the chart for the Norman Conquest, it had three periods with the progressed Sun in Pisces:
1) June 25, 11t6 to September 10, 1146
2) September 17, 1481 to December 4, 1511
3) December 25, 1846 to March 13, 1877.
The 1801 chart for the U.K. has one:
4) Jan 27, 1850 to January 31, 1880
The Conquest chart (cast for noon, December 25, 1066, Westminster) has three planets and the South Node in Pisces, intercepted in the twelfth house: Pluto and Pallas conjunct at 3 PI 50 and 4 PI 15 respectively, the South Node at 19 PI 24, and the Moon at 29 PI 3.
In 1116, Henry I, the youngest son of William I, was the monarch, having been crowned in 1100. Between 1116 and 1119 a rebellion of barons, backed and aided by Louis VI of France, Baldwin of Flanders, and Count Fulk of Anjou, challenged his control of Normandy in favour of William Clito, the son of his imprisoned older brother, William Curthose.
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Curthose, having been founf incapable of governing, was being held by Henry in lifelong captivity.
In 1119, Henry had put down the rebellion, and began to thrash out a treaty to ensure that the peace would be more or less permanent. He stepped down from the Duchy of Normandy; his only son and heir, William the Aetheling. after marrying Matilds, daughter of Count Fulk, paid homage for it to Louis VI.
On November 25, 1120, when the progressed Sun conjoined natal Pluto conjunct Pallas, the seventeen-year-old aetheling, together with a large group of his friends, was celebrating his happy state aboard the White Ship, docked in Barfleur and about ti set sail for England. His father's ship had already sailed, and his was supposed to follow it soon after. However, as the people on board, both passengers and crew, including the captain, got drunker and drunker, they put off sailing. When they did set out, around midnight, they struck a large rock in the harbour and sank, drowning all aboard.The only exception was a butcher from Rouen. William had been in a lifeboat and might have been saved, except that he heard the screams of his half-sister Matilda and insisted on going back for her. Many others in the water tried to scramble aboard the lifeboat and it sank too.
His cousin Stephen survived because like a few others he had not been aboard. He had excused himself by saying he had diarrhea and taken another boat home.
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As the forthcoming Pluto return in the US-chart has been mentioned above:
Example: Kingdom of Prussia, Jan 19th (jul.), 1701, Königsberg. The return of Pluto 1945/46 made an end to that state - that was in February 1946.
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Just don't think that the rest of the world will be immune to what happens in the USA. The thing that the USA is best at is exporting violence. (aka democracy or mob rule)


Thanks for the steer to Chris Hedges. He is very insightful. I have watched a few of his talks on You Tube now and bought some of his books which I should have soon. Just a pity he doesn't write on much outside the USA.

The feelings of political disaffection are just as strong in Europe too. As in the USA many people feel the political class are totally out of touch. The recent European parliament elections saw unprecedented levels of support for many anti-establishment parties (of right and left) in many countriies such as France, UK, Italy, Spain, Greece, Austria, Denmark etc.

Unfortunately the voting system in the USA makes it exceptionally difficult for a populist third force to break up the cosy two party duopoly of the Republican and Democrat party machines. It was last tried in a concerted way in the early 20th century by the movement known as Progressivism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressivism_in_the_United_States

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Posted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:26 pm    Post subject: What is happening in the U.S. now and in the near future? Reply with quote

to zoidsoft and Mark: I also owe quite a bit to Chris Hedges' analysis. To keep current I also read Yes! magazine. I quote from an article in it's summer, 2014 edition," First the Anger, Then the Love, Why Climate Change is Personal" by activist Tim DeChristopher:
"That's why I think activism right now is so critical. The only thing inevitable about our future is that the status quo ca not continue. We know things are going to change. But we can go down very different roads from this point.
"There's an opportunity now to build a society in the ashes of this one that is much more in line with our values. There is the opportunity for this disruption to be sort of a mass reflection where we realize that basing society on greed and competition was not the best way to go about things.
Maybe we can do better. But that's not inevitable any more than the ugly path is inevitable, which is to me why our engagement now is really, really critical."
That is my opinion too: each planet has a possible "high" expression, an ugly expression, and a sort of "muddling through" expression.
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The king was devastated when he was told the news.
In the following years he tried to father a legitimate son by his new wife,but despite his large number of illegitimate sons, he was unable to do so. King Henry then tried a desperate measure; despite the near-universal animus against a woman ruling in her own right, he decided to appoint his only remaining legitimate child .his daughter, the Empress Matilda, as his heir. Matilda, as the wife of Henry V, king of the Germans and Holy Roman Emperor, had deputized for him when he had been absent and was presumably knowledgeable in statecraft. She had borne no children to Henry and after he died in 1125 her father had brought her back home to England. Her married her to Geoffrey "Plantagenet", son of Count Fulk of Anjou, and made his barons swear an oath (on three occasions) to uphold her position as heir to both England and Normandy. The couple's son Henry fitzEmpress was born in 1133.
In 1135, when the progressed Sun reached the South Node, King Henry died. All his carefully laid plans unravelled. Stephen of Blois, son of the Conqueror's daughter Adela, raced to England, where he began by seizing the treasury. In three weeks, he persuaded many of the barons to arrange his coronation, which took place on December 22. This began the period of anarchy (1135-53).
The civil war began in 1139, when Matilda returned to claim her country, accompanied by her half-brother, Robert of Gloucester.
The two sides were fairly evenly matched, so the advantage seesawed between them. Stephen was briefly held prisoner, and Matilda was declared Queen until the progressed Sun reached the natal Moon at 29 PI and she was defeated at the Battle of Farringdon.
In 1146 the Sun progressed into Aries. Robert of Gloucester died in 1147 and in 1148 Matilda left England for Normandy.[/img]
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Hello Teiresias,

Please read the PM I have just sent you.

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