Viktor Orban 1 by james_m viktor has won a 2nd term in hungary. i can't find a specific time of birth for him, but below is a chart set for noon to his place of birth. perhaps an astrologer from hungary has an actual time of birth for him. note the square between mercury and saturn( and opposition of mars to saturn) and think of where the transit of saturn is at present. who says saturn brings disappointment only? perhaps saturn brings more work and worldly success too sometimes, lol... article from nyt on his election win today in hungary. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/08/world ... pe=article image hosting over 5mb Quote Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:54 am
2 by james_m take a look at the mayor of new york cities chart. he won the election on nov 5 2013 with saturn transit opposite his 7th house sun with saturn transiting the first house squaring onto the midheaven degree. i don't think you can make that conclusion about orbans chart, although it is fun to contemplate. http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/De_Blasio,_Bill Quote Tue Apr 08, 2014 4:55 am
3 by Mjacob Sure but transits may not be the primary criterion Matthew Goulding Quote Tue Apr 08, 2014 7:38 am
4 by james_m matthew - true, but in the absence of an actual birth time for orban - that is mostly all one is able to contemplate. Quote Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:36 pm
5 by james_m well, it is fun to consider what you are working with.. when one has no specific birth time, the solar return set to noon will not give you the angles and the moon can be out up to approx 7 degrees. i don't think a stand alone solar return chart is a good idea even when you have the root chart based on a specific birth time! the relationships will not be understood in the proper context which you need to get from the root chart. the solar return chart is also a 'transit' chart in many ways, just for the day when the sun returns to it's specific place where it was at birth. so we are again looking at.... transits.. now if we knew the specific time, i would say they are much more meaningful as we have some specific angles to connect the data with. Quote Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:18 am
6 by Mjacob I did think of something but if noon charts are no good then I do no see where this can go Matthew Goulding Quote Wed Apr 09, 2014 5:23 pm
7 by james_m i was hoping an astrology from hungary might have an actual birth time for him and that they might see the chart here and offer it up. Quote Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:14 pm
8 by irisalbus Hello everyone, various birth times of Viktor Orban can be found online. Astrologer Jeno Kalo affirms it is 14:00 (2 pm) and claims to have received this data directly from the mother of V.O. - but no hospital record is available to confirm this. I have found someone corrected it to 13:36 (1:36pm). Others, instead, speak of a later time: 15:30 (3:30pm) or 16:48 (4:48pm), and so it could appear to be an afternoon birth with either Libra or Scorpio rising (from 13:14 to 15:55 it is Libra ascending, from 15:56 to 18:38 it is Scorpio ascending), but then we can find some others speaking of 11:30 (am), in this case Virgo is rising. ? In case of a Libra ASC, both the I and the X houses are empty, ? with a Scorpio ASC, Mars in Leo would be near the MC (and X WSH), ? while in case of a Virgo ASC, Mercury in Taurus would be in the 9th house but the Sun in Gemini in the X (sign and house). If someone wishes to try to correct it, I will be glad to translate the known life events. In any case, you can see some fotos following these links: http://www.kormany.hu/hu/miniszterelnok ... k/eletrajz http://www.miniszterelnok.hu/csaladi_fotok Iris Quote Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:10 pm
9 by JoakimS I haven't invested much time in this so take it for what it is, but thought to contribute it anyhow as a piece of the puzzle. I read an online article some time ago ( a year maybe 2), I think it was in The Telegraph, where the journo described a backseat ride with Orban at the wheel. It was a ruthless drive in high speed, during witch he was talking all the time and looked at everything but the road (juornos perspective obviously) and the author was sure several times that he was going to meet his maker. I am not sure if I remember this correctly, but I think he also constantly was letting go of his hands off the wheel to gesticulate in his communication. I don't have time now to look for the article. Also, in my early astrology days I got my birthtime from my mothers, a moment she remembered so well and was absolutely sure of! I soon came to feel something was out of tune in my chart with my inner experience, so eventually I contacted the hospital archive to get a documented time and it turned out my mother somewhat had lost track of time for 48 minutes. So, I don't have much trust for birth infos from mothers and I tend to believe their time generally is earlier than the factual one. This could possibly give some support for Scorpion rising in Orban's chart. /Joakim Living on Earth may be expensive, but it includes a free trip around the sun every year. http://www.astrocalc.com Quote Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:06 am
10 by james_m thanks for the additional information irisalbus and joakim. if i come up with anything concrete in all this, i will let you know. Quote Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:02 pm