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Vasanth



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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 3:08 am    Post subject: God Time/Eternity Thinking/Perception Fate/FreeWill - John F Reply with quote

Excellent lecture by John Frawley sharing his views on 'Free Will and Predestination'.
http://www.johnfrawley.com/#!free-will-and-predestination/c1jw3

This lecture was given at the 4th Real Astrology Conference, in June, 2010.

He ties-in the concept of 'thinking' and 'time' to fate/free-will. Simply Beautiful!

My favorite summary quote ->
"The apparent paradox of free will and predestination is that these two things are existing - well, one would say 'at the same time'; but they are existing at the same time only for us in this world of extension, because only in extension is there a same time for them to exist at, because there is no time in eternity. The difficulty in understanding this is because of our viewpoint. Because we are here, in this world of extension, we are not capable of thinking in terms that do not involve time, a before and an after. As is demonstrated by the very fact of our thinking at all: there was a moment before I had this thought; there's a moment after I had this thought. Thinking is possible only within time."

To understand it better, read the full article. Thought provoking, indeed!

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Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it must be fate, as your link no longer works, lol!
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Vasanth



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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.real-astrology.com/ seems to be down for some reasons, should be up later.

Found some books in amazon which explores the concept in detail ->
(haven't read any of them though)

God, Time, and Knowledge - William Hasker
Time and Eternity - Brian Leftow
Time and Eternity: Exploring God's Relationship to Time - William Lane Craig
Eternal God: A Study of God without Time - Paul Helm
God & Time: Four Views - Paul Helm, Alan G. Padgett, William Lane Craig, Nicholas Wolterstorff
God, Eternity and the Nature of Time - Alan G. Padgett
God and the Nature of Time - Garrett J. Deweese
God and Time: Essays on the Divine Nature - Gregory E. Ganssle and David Woodruff
God, Eternity, and Time - Christian Tapp, Edmund Runggaldier
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Vasanth



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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exploring this trail further ->

'The Unreality of Time' (1908) by J. M. E. McTaggart where he argues that our perception of time is an illusion. He introduces three series -> A-series, B-series and C-series

http://www.ditext.com/mctaggart/time.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unreality_of_Time
http://www.physicscentral.com/explore/plus/timeless.cfm
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/mctaggart/
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/time/


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Vasanth



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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2014 10:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow!
www.real-astrology.com is updated to http://www.johnfrawley.com/ with new look!

updated the link to the article ->
http://www.johnfrawley.com/#!free-will-and-predestination/c1jw3
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Vasanth



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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can't 'Time' be just illusion of our mind ?

The only way we perceive 'Past' is because of our memory; and Memory is tapped into and experienced only in the 'Present'. So what we really experience is the 'Present'

Related link ->
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2012-09/book-excerpt-there-no-such-thing-time
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Fleur



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Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.johnfrawley.com/#!free-will-and-predestination/c1jw3

Thanks.

(I noticed only the first part of this is a hyperlink, taking you to John Frawley's website, then you have to click articles and then find his article on free will and predestination).
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