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Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2014 7:53 pm    Post subject: Phaethon Reply with quote

For completeness' sake, Eric Morse wrote one other book. It was published under his own name rather than his nom de plume Raymond Henry. His book was called The Living Stars, and was published by Amethyst Books in 1988. It is still available on the usual sites such as Amazon as a second-hand volume. As far as I know it is not currently in print.

The book includes some references to Phaethon, astrologically and mythologically, and is a review of fixed star lore. It has quite a spiritual perspective.
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 9:49 am    Post subject: Re: Phaethon Reply with quote

astralwanderer wrote:
For completeness' sake, Eric Morse wrote one other book. It was published under his own name rather than his nom de plume Raymond Henry. His book was called The Living Stars, and was published by Amethyst Books in 1988. It is still available on the usual sites such as Amazon as a second-hand volume. As far as I know it is not currently in print.

The book includes some references to Phaethon, astrologically and mythologically, and is a review of fixed star lore. It has quite a spiritual perspective.


I looked it up on Amazon, they have 9 used from 24.97 and 4 new from 65.90. Paperback.

Abe Books has one copy for 12.01 plus 15.19 postage, so 27.20.

Edit: If you live in Australia you are massively lucky, there is a copy on Ebay for AU $ 8.18 (4.70 approximately) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-Living-Stars-BOOK-Astrology-Star-Signs-by-Dr-Eric-Morse-/260866291577
Probably the postage to get it to the UK would make it expensive.

There is a free PDF download, if you google "Eric Morse living stars", the link is on the second google page. It is asking you to register, and blocking automatic download of the PDF if you aren't registered, so I am not sure whether or not to trust it and at this moment I don't want to risk anything happening to my computer as I can't afford a replacement. It might be ok, but I am not clever enough with computers to know if it is or isn't.
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Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2014 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If anyone wants that Living Stars book and is in the UK, I can send them it for nothing as I think I have it and it really isn't my thing. I can be contacted via pm.
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 7:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Konrad wrote:
If anyone wants that Living Stars book and is in the UK, I can send them it for nothing as I think I have it and it really isn't my thing. I can be contacted via pm.


You should sell it through Amazon. It is worth a fortune.
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Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2014 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fleur wrote:
Konrad wrote:
If anyone wants that Living Stars book and is in the UK, I can send them it for nothing as I think I have it and it really isn't my thing. I can be contacted via pm.


You should sell it through Amazon. It is worth a fortune.


I'm not bothered about money past what I need to eat and study, so the offer still stands. All books deserve a good home.
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Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/two-hidden-planets-could-exist-5000557

Scientists say there is an invisible force on the edge of our solar system.
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Posted: Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Fleur,

That is interesting. The analysis of the WISE spacecraft data last year didn't turn up any unknown major objects in the outer solar system but it's good to hear that some astronomers haven't given the idea up.

This video series summarizes a lot of the research well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g16k4XHIeBA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX4Y8WLXe3w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bytBvb1B0gk
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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was thinking about IsisTranspluto transits to the chart angles. There are two charts where it seems to have different effects.

One is the chart of Adolf Hitler, where IsisTranspluto at the end of Cancer is squaring his natal Ascendant when he rose to power, and then in early Leo conjunct his Midheaven when he fell from power in 1945. His time of birth is given as 6.30pm, which seems a bit rounded-up to the nearest half hour and I wonder if he was born with the Midheaven at 5 degrees Leo rather than 4 degrees Leo, and Ascendant 27 degrees Cancer rather than 26 degrees Cancer?

Another is the chart of Natascha Kampusch, transits given for the date of her abduction, March 2nd 1998. Transiting IsisTranspluto is within one degree of her Descendant.

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Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2015 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another interesting chart to look at the effect of IsisTranspluto. Jesse Livermore http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Lauriston_Livermore was a famous successful stock market trader. The transits, for 28th November 1940, are for his death by suicide. He had depression all his life. Noon chart, as I do not know his time of birth (but his biography says that his daughter in law was an astrologer, and there was a horoscope drawn up for him by her. If anybody knows about this horoscope, presumably with a birth time, can you please tell me and I will re-do this chart).

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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What really interests me about IsisTranspluto is its conjunction with Pluto at the beginning of Leo for several years from the late 1930's. I am sure this had a lot to do with the rise of Nazism and concentration camps, and left a long shadow after the war. This conjunction fell on Adolf Hitler's Midheaven, and squared his Sun.
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so is transpluto one of wittes hypothetical planets, or something else??

how does eris and other planet type bodies that have been recently discovered factor into all this?

i know the westcott lady had made a huge study including a zillion asteroids and claimed they all had significance in reading charts...

i am curious to those using transpluto, why you would use transpluto, but not some of these other tangible bodies that have been discovered?

or is it that transpluto connects with something that has been discovered and it has another name for it?

fleur - thanks for your reply on the other thread.. i thought i would reply here in a way that stayed focused on my desire to gain more understanding of others inclusion of this hypothethical body....

for the record, i do not use the uranian hypothetical planets, although i have explored the use of them..

my sun is 1 degree conjunct eris, and i have a stronger interest in this body fwiw..
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

james_m wrote:
so is transpluto one of wittes hypothetical planets, or something else??

how does eris and other planet type bodies that have been recently discovered factor into all this?

i know the westcott lady had made a huge study including a zillion asteroids and claimed they all had significance in reading charts...

i am curious to those using transpluto, why you would use transpluto, but not some of these other tangible bodies that have been discovered?

or is it that transpluto connects with something that has been discovered and it has another name for it?

fleur - thanks for your reply on the other thread.. i thought i would reply here in a way that stayed focused on my desire to gain more understanding of others inclusion of this hypothethical body....

for the record, i do not use the uranian hypothetical planets, although i have explored the use of them..

my sun is 1 degree conjunct eris, and i have a stronger interest in this body fwiw..


I see Sedna and Eris as satellites of IsisTranspluto, and I haven't found they do anything, but your experience might show otherwise. I see them in the same way as the Moons of Mars, Phobos and Demos, whose meaning is for me part of Mars anyway and I can't think of anyone trying to study them separately from Mars? Are there ephemerides for Phobos and Demos? Has anyone ever made a study of them? Would you study the Moons of Jupiter separately from Jupiter itself? Are there even ephemerides for them?

Similarly I see the asteroids as effectively satellites of Phaethon, so don't see them as having any meaningful separate information. There are thousands of them. Phaethon was the binary twin of our Sun, which broke up to form the asteroids. So, no I don't tend to like them or use them and find them annoying and cluttering in charts. People might turn up curiosities of synchronicity concerning them, but those are all around us anyway, I don't think they go anywhere. If somebody made a deep study of them I might be convinced in the same way I was by the Fixed Stars, but it hasn't happened yet, people seem to superimpose meanings on them that they haven't shown by enough observation and examples of charts and events. When I am looking at a chart it is so distracting to have the symbol of one of those things that looks a bit like a diamond headed Venus symbol, and I am scrambling around looking for Venus so I can quickly pick out its important aspects and where it is for transits and arcs.....I do use Phaethon, but not the asteroids....yes I know that is judgemental and I am happy to stick Ceres in a chart for a specific purpose if asked, to see what it does if anything (as I did in the chart of an abduction case at somebody's suggestion, and it didn't seem to show anything at all). I would be perfectly happy to give the asteroids a quick look if they were just listed separately underneath the planets in the box showing the aspects underneath a chart, but please not in the chart itself.

Astrology has lots of elements that definitely shouldn't be rejected, but I don't use them most of the time, such as the Black Moon Lilith. This happens to be automatic on an ephemeris I use, and on one occasion something definitely crossed a part of my chart and I had to look it up and couldn't find anything, except the Black Moon Lilith was transiting in exact conjunction to it.

I have never studied the Moons of Mars, Jupiter or any other planet and haven't heard of anyone doing so, but would be happy to have a look if there are ephemerides for them. If Phobos and Demos operate separately from Mars, that could be illuminating.....and I would have to re-think lots of things.
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Posted: Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just had a look on the Astrodienst website at their ephemerides, and can't find anything that calculates the ephemeris for the Moons of Mars or the Moons of Jupiter or any other planet's Moons other than our Earth's.

This is how I see the asteroids with reference to Phaethon. Or Sedna and Eris with reference to IsisTranspluto. In the latter case, the distances of these satellites are greater but they are also a lot further away from us. These things are just satellites; Moons effectively.

And if Ceres is so important, it should surely do something in the chart of an abduction? James, I know your criticism of this particular chart is that we don't know her birth time, so for all we know Ceres could be sitting on one of her chart angles.....but her natal Ceres doesn't aspect anything else in her chart and isn't being transited by anything on the date of her abduction....and yes, if we knew her time of birth, there could be a Solar Arc progression of a chart angle to her natal Ceres. Still, I have never seen an asteroid show its importance in any chart or event. If these things do anything, then Ceres as the biggest asteroid should be able to demonstrate this.
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Posted: Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

james_m wrote:
so is transpluto one of wittes hypothetical planets, or something else??

how does eris and other planet type bodies that have been recently discovered factor into all this?

i know the westcott lady had made a huge study including a zillion asteroids and claimed they all had significance in reading charts...

i am curious to those using transpluto, why you would use transpluto, but not some of these other tangible bodies that have been discovered?

or is it that transpluto connects with something that has been discovered and it has another name for it?

fleur - thanks for your reply on the other thread.. i thought i would reply here in a way that stayed focused on my desire to gain more understanding of others inclusion of this hypothethical body....

for the record, i do not use the uranian hypothetical planets, although i have explored the use of them..

my sun is 1 degree conjunct eris, and i have a stronger interest in this body fwiw..


Hi James,

I too studied the Uranians at least in my own chart, and to my great surprise, they highlighted some of my major characteristics. They really "clicked".

However, Transpluto isn't one of them. I once compared Transpluto's ephemeris with the Uranians' ephemerides and didn't find any match. Nor did it match up with any prominent TNO.

Now many esotericists have stated that there are numerous bodies orbiting in the solar system that have their existence entirely on a subtle plane, yet they do have an influence in astrological terms. Well, how could we exclude this possibility? As astrologers, we are frequently factoring in things that aren't there in a physical sense.

So Transpluto might be an "etheric celestial body" after all.

My original motivation for studying it was that it seemed to offer an opportunity to get the extended rulership scheme (that is central to my take on astrology) closer to completion. But for that, I would expect it to be another tangible planet. But for all we know, assuming it to be is more than unfounded astronomically.

Yet it does seem to figure prominently in certain kinds of charts, especially in those of earthquakes. See my post on top of this page:

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8062&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

That said, I no longer include Transpluto in standard chart analysis. Just like I don't normally look at asteroids, Chiron, or Lilith. Although I have seen all of those taking a major effect on a person or situation. But they belong to different layers than the planets, so to speak, and there are practical limits to the amount of information that I am ready to process when doing a chart.

Though Eris conjunct your Sun does seem to be rather significant, James. Laughing
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Oops, double post. Tongue Out
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