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Can someone translate this German passage about Stoicism?

 
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Larxene



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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:53 am    Post subject: Can someone translate this German passage about Stoicism? Reply with quote

"Aus einem Urfeuer, dem Aither, entsteht in stoischer Sicht alles Seiende. Aller Stoff (Hyle) ist durch göttliche Vernunft (Logos) beseelt. So ist die stoische Lehre gleichermaßen materialistisch wie pantheistisch: Das göttliche Prinzip durchwirkt den Kosmos in allen seinen Bestandteilen und ist (nur) in ihnen anzutreffen.

Die Stoiker sind von der strengen Kausalität allen Geschehens überzeugt. Was immer in der Welt und unter Menschen vorkommt, beruht demnach auf einer lückenlosen Kausalkette. Wo diese nicht nachweisbar ist, versagt unser Erkenntnisvermögen. Auch der Einzelne ist durch das Schicksal (Heimarmene) bestimmt. Falls er sich gegen die Vorsehung (Pronoia) stellt, ist auch dies selbst durch das Schicksal bestimmt."




I tried Google Translate, but it isn't clear enough.

Thanks.
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Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Larxene,


According to Stoic thought whatever exists has its origin in primeval fire. All matter (Hyle) is has been endowed with divine reason (Logos).Thius Stoic teaching is both materialistic and pantheistic: The divine principle interweaves the cosmos in all its parts (altern: components) and can be met only within these. ("durchwirken" is difficult to translate - there's no satisfying translation: "interweaves" comes closer to it than "influences")
Stoic thinkers firmly believe in strict causality of whatever happens. Anything that exists within the world and among men is consequently based on a complete causal chain. Our cognitive capacity will fail the moment that chain cannot be proved. Accordingly each individual being is determined by fate (Heimarmene). In case he/she ( :-) ) resists Providence, that act itself will be determined by fate.

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Larxene



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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Lunlumo,

Thanks for the translation.

Lunlumo wrote:
Accordingly each individual being is determined by fate (Heimarmene). In case he/she ( :-) ) resists Providence, that act itself will be determined by fate.


In the second line, does it mean that "the person who rejects pronoia is in fact guided by heimarmene to reject it"? Or does it mean that "IF a person rejects pronoia, then he will be dragged rather than guided by heimarmene?"

I'm thinking it means the first, just want to confirm.


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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right, it means the first.
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Posted: Sun Nov 02, 2014 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed.
I forgot to translate "Aither" - actually "Äther" - "ether". Didin't know that ether was essentially thought to have the quality of fire.

Really interesting blog, Larxene.
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Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 5:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Michael and Lunlumo,

Thanks for the answer. I'm glad you enjoyed my blog, Lunlumo. Smile



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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lunlumo wrote:
Hi Larxene,


According to Stoic thought whatever exists has its origin in primeval fire. All matter (Hyle) is has been endowed with divine reason (Logos).Thius Stoic teaching is both materialistic and pantheistic: The divine principle interweaves the cosmos in all its parts (altern: components) and can be met only within these. ("durchwirken" is difficult to translate - there's no satisfying translation: "interweaves" comes closer to it than "influences")
Stoic thinkers firmly believe in strict causality of whatever happens. Anything that exists within the world and among men is consequently based on a complete causal chain. Our cognitive capacity will fail the moment that chain cannot be proved. Accordingly each individual being is determined by fate (Heimarmene). In case he/she ( :-) ) resists Providence, that act itself will be determined by fate.

LL


durchwirken= bind together as in book binding ??

Quote:
durchwirken |dụrchwirken|
schwaches Verb
Perfektbildung mit »hat«
durchkneten a
den Teig kräftig durchwirken
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Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pankajdubey wrote:
Lunlumo wrote:
Hi Larxene,


According to Stoic thought whatever exists has its origin in primeval fire. All matter (Hyle) is has been endowed with divine reason (Logos).Thius Stoic teaching is both materialistic and pantheistic: The divine principle interweaves the cosmos in all its parts (altern: components) and can be met only within these. ("durchwirken" is difficult to translate - there's no satisfying translation: "interweaves" comes closer to it than "influences")
Stoic thinkers firmly believe in strict causality of whatever happens. Anything that exists within the world and among men is consequently based on a complete causal chain. Our cognitive capacity will fail the moment that chain cannot be proved. Accordingly each individual being is determined by fate (Heimarmene). In case he/she ( :-) ) resists Providence, that act itself will be determined by fate.

LL


durchwirken= bind together as in book binding ??

Quote:
durchwirken |dụrchwirken|
schwaches Verb
Perfektbildung mit »hat«
durchkneten a
den Teig kräftig durchwirken


I think it is more like
interwoven, interlacing

If I translated 'durchwirken' to the language of the Netherlands, then you get 'werken door'. And when I translate this now to English, then it is
'working through'
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