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Astrology is psychologically dangerous
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geo



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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although I don’t agree with the argument of the original post (obviously written by someone who hasn’t deepen into astrology), I lately find myself concluding with the thread’s title. Astrology (especially its traditional branch) is fundamentally opposed to psychology/psychotherapy: Fatality Vs Free will.

What do you do when you:

1) love astrology
2) love psychology
3) have a seriously debilitated chart
4) (as a consequence of the #2) are miserable
5) are unwilling to enroll the ‘new age’ branch

Huh?

It’s a hard task to have to either accept the stars’ unfairness or quit astrology’s fascinating mathematical interpretation of cosmos.
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zoidsoft



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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apply set theory. It solves both problems. Range of manifestation is not absolute fatalism. Identity of the actor is everything when it comes to the will. Once you become one with everything, there is no outside force of determinism. Until you reach consciousness enough to handle all possibilities, some things will be done for you so that you don't hang yourself with your attempt at free choice (autonomic nervous system, etc)...
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waybread



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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

geo, my traditional chart looks like a heap of rough sledding. Oddly enough, my life basically turned out OK. (I'm a senior.)

Some of the traditional authors, from Ptolemy to Lilly, talked about the potential for mitigation. Ptolemy was a fatalist, but in comparing astrology to medicine, he noted that the physician does not merely diagnose the patient's condition, but also tells the patient how to get better.

Fatalism made a lot of sense to the stoic philosophers of ancient times, but you can do all kinds of traditional astrology without subscribing to astral determinism. When the Christians got hold of astrology, they came with the theological concept of "free will." This badly named concept indicates that within the parameters of your life and chart, you do have some choices to make, and that these choices affect future outcomes.

Are you familiar with the traditional concept of temperament? It isn't psychology but it does address personality types.
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Autumn



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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New here folks...there doesnt seem to be a thread for general newbies to introduce themselves ...so hope its the done thing to just jump in.

I had to laugh at the shorthand oversimplificaltion of the OP ...rather how i do things myself...how an analytical person would...boil it to condensed state.... but virgo boiled to servant or slavery is about a good enough summing up.

And what on earth is wrong with that anyway? So virgos came to serve and the newbies to the dimension and material planet would feel the weight a lot more than those who have learnt to carry the weight...so to speak....and mine the gold, process it and turn it to star dust. So yes.... its rough for the newbies being slaves. It teaches humility. It teaches detail and grounds you solid to this dimension to learn the necessary components.

Later when you get used to the weight, in a few more nnn lifetimes...it feels lighter and you wake up to a meaning of virgo that is based on the old darkness of slave but encorporating love, turns into its best expression of love in service. Or love of service. Love to serve.

But for now and to you...its slavery. Nothing wrong with it.

Then you move on to learn yet another lesson in balance....and you feel the weight of the darkness of libra i suppose.

Who knows how all that is set up.
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Autumn



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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Geo as a specific reply to you i would venture that a horrible chart is just a timeline of 'potential' set triggers that may produce events to permit you to be exposed to some difficult lessons you specified for yourself..so that you could learn how energy is directed and the results.

The chart is not you.

The chart is just a 'clock'. You arent supposed to wear the thing! Or to identify with it that closely!

You are far more competent and diverse than that.

But...freewill and all that.... if the will wishes it can, like an actor, play the role for a bit.

Seems you love that you hate it so until you hate that you love it...you are stuck with it.

Then...darn with it....enjoy!
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waybread



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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2016 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very wise, Autumn-- I'm glad you're here.
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