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Ingress charts for 2020 - indications of conflict?
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Phantastikon



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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, didn't know where Pluto's nodes were.

Interesting co-incidence is there is a New Moon/Partial Solar Eclipse on 12 July 2018 on Pluto's North Node at 20 deg Cancer exactly as Pluto opposing it at 20 deg Capricorn hits Pluto's South Node.

Whilst spotting that and now re-thinking Russian chart, the next total Lunar eclipse 27 July 2018 is at 4 deg Aquarius 45'. This is right on Russia's Saturn at 4 deg Aquarius 43'. I rarely look at such things and know little about interpreting them so make of that what you will.

I read the article; I get the geopolitical reasoning for suspecting conflict, and it seems everyone else is too - rather rapidly recently. In terms of finance George Saros has openly said now he fears conflict with Russia/China. Rothschild said something similar recently. We also have reports of Russia/China arming themselves very very rapidly. Russia rapidly updating nuclear missiles, massive NATO and Russian military exercises, US moving nukes to the UK, moving tanks to Europe. Not to mention China's extraordinary rather desperate deployment of artificial military islands no less.

So astrology aside I think it's getting safer to say by the day there is trouble expected down the line from many angles. I guess this is all about gauging astrologically just how serious this all could potentially get, and what indicators we can find for any actual conflict rather than just the financial/sanctions/currency conflicts of interest.
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Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

quote from ben dykes book "astrology of the world 11" which in turn is a translation from masha'allah's book 'scito horam introitus' - page 238 in dykes book - "chapter 61 "if in a revolution of the year you saw a thing about which you had fear, see if this coincides with a conjunction of saturn and jupiter in that same year: it will be more harsh and worse. 2. and if it did not coincide with one, it will be easier." and from page 121 of the same book "chapter 23. if you wished to turn the years of the world in which one should have fear, see whether there is a conjunction of saturn and jupiter in that same year: which if there were one, it will be more evil; and if there were not one, it will be easier. see page 121 chapter 23 in b dykes astrology of the world 11 for more details.

see the jupiter/saturn conjunction chart for 2020 in my saturn/pluto thread here on the mundane forum if interested..
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

local skyscript form member - cor scorpii, (goran) - has an interesting article up from march of this year on the topic of war... some here might like to read it as it is focused on mundane astrology and worth the read.. focused most on 2016, but lots to ponder..

https://7heavenastrology.wordpress.com/2015/03/30/now-i-am-become-death-the-destroyer-of-worlds-the-road-to-armageddon-part-ii/
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Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, I'm trying to digest it there is a lot of detail there that is really fascinating and I'm already re-reading it over again. The Lot Of War, I didn't think about looking at a time before 2018 for some reason.
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

among astrologers - trad or modern - there has never been a full consensus on using lots.. for me - they are distance differentials applied to the ascendant - speaking generally.. i can see the merit in acknowledging a distance relationship and applying it to the ascendant for example.. but then, why not also acknowledge the importance of these same distance relationships any time by transit, or whatever predictive tech. you are working with that is equivalent in these other areas if one is singling out the importance of one in particular - in this example the lot of war? that is the part i don't get.. i see them as distance differentials between planets mostly applied to the ascendant to give an abstract point which is really a repeat of the distance.. that can show up a number of different ways! i suppose we all have to work with what we feel has the most merit, or follow in the footsteps of others until such time as we are convinced of the merits of a particular approach regardless who did or didn't use it.. i guess i am being contentious - something i am known for, lol..

regardless of that - i thought goran wrote a good article worthy of others attention..
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I looked at the Lot of War thinking it would indicate something in common between all the ingress charts for differing cities as it unusually doesn't include the Asc in the calculation.

In natal charts I've used Zoller's suggestion of using the lot most relevant to the house or topic you are looking at which is time consuming house by house but does seem to work when I've tried it.

I use Fortune and Spirit a lot, in event charts they have revealed things such as in a recent robbery in London where the thieves were very lucky, Venus was on the Lot of Fortune when the alarm went off but the ruler of the Lot was the Moon applying to the 12th so they got caught.
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Posted: Thu Dec 31, 2015 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I regret having been unable to participate in the forum when this thread started because it throws up some very interesting ideas. I suspect this is a thread we will need to revisit many times over the next few years.

Just a couple of comments. Traditionally, the chart for 2020 is not just a normal Aries ingress chart for that year but one that proceed a Jupiter-Saturn conjunction. Some might argue it is a chart for the great mutation shifting from earth to air. But at the very least it is a great conjunction giving an overview of a twenty year period.

I have began some research into configurations of Aries ingress charts that proceeded a great conjunction. Its early days yet but I decided to look at prior ingress charts to a great conjunction in an air sign that involved a conjunction with Mars.

Rather alarmingly I note the last time this happened in Aquarius was a conjunction of 1345. Why is that period significant? 1346-7 were the years the Black Death , first appeared in Europe. By 1353 it has spread throughout the whole continent and estimates suggest 45–50% of Europe's total population died. Aquarius is traditionally a human sign so that affliction by a malefic can be indicative of a loss of human life.

This therefore affirms the point that Mars can also be indicative of disease and in this context a pandemic.

The combination of Pluto to this configuration gives more concern that this chart presages a traumatic time for the world.

Mark
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2016 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i thought i would revisit this thread, triggered by vickis post and with fleur sharing a link that connects to this via the focus on jupiter/saturn conjunctions... here is the link fleur shared on the jupiter-saturn conjunction cycles..

ps - i didn't respond to your last post here mark, but i think you are correct in your speculation and it is very interesting..


http://mhunting.tripod.com/id8.html
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