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Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 6:42 pm    Post subject: recent mars-saturn conjunctions Reply with quote

these are set to damascus, syria.. i find it interesting the place of the exact conjunctions to the ascendant angle here. 2014 and 2016 mars-saturn conjunctions respectively are shown..


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if i were to make one conclusion off all of it, it would be this.. the martial attack on syria which picked up steam since further back then 2014, but which has continued, might be turned around into 2016.. it would appear to still put a strong emphasis on war type activities lasting, but perhaps with the home team having a better position then they did in 2014.. this seems to be in line with russias involvement here, but it remains to be seen how those seeking a regime change, getting rid of isis or implementing the yinon plan - (hard to know what the actual agenda is which goes with the nature of war) move forward without going in more deeply, or backing off...
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i am not sure how to articulate this properly, but further to gorans comments in connection to the 2016 uk ingress and the possibility of war found in the link here - http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8840
is my overly sensitive nature that might be reacting too much to what i read, or might be onto something..

the mars/saturn conjunction timing in close proximity to the libra ingress and tangled into the eclipse cycle data lead me to greater concern over the possibility of war.. i did a thread on eclipse charts set to washington which can be found here - http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9061

i continue to believe a confluence of astrology needs to be taken into account in order to develop a wider perspective on mundane astrological possibilities.. i look out on the jupiter/saturn conjunction and the saturn/pluto conjunction in 2020 as some type of watershed time frame and i have said as much on previous threads in bits and pieces, like this one here - http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8762

i am not sure how this translates in terms of predictions of world wars, but i have been reading very recently 2 articles that feed into my concerns - not from a western point of view either... they are found immediately below..

http://johnhelmer.net/?p=15751

and http://smoothiex12.blogspot.ca/2016/06/russian-warning.html

now, whether this is just a regular garden variety mars/saturn conjunction coinciding with eclipse data, or goran is correct in his astro conclusions on war in 2016 - i am not sure.. i do however believe changes are in the air and they appear more significant to me at this moment then not..

i truly believe any prediction on world events has to take a number of factors into consideration which is really quite difficult to do.. looking at ingress charts set to one location is only a part of it.. eclipse charts is another part of it.. outer planet conjunctions are another part of it... pulling it all together is no easy task..
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i see peter stockinger has an article on retro mars here 2016 which also highlights the conjunction of mars/saturn aug 23rd and it's location in relation to star lore... for anyone who wants to read it -
https://starsandstones.wordpress.com/2016/04/01/mars-retrograde-17-april-29-june-2016/
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

james_m wrote:
i am not sure how to articulate this properly, but further to gorans comments in connection to the 2016 uk ingress and the possibility of war found in the link here - http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8840
is my overly sensitive nature that might be reacting too much to what i read, or might be onto something..

the mars/saturn conjunction timing in close proximity to the libra ingress and tangled into the eclipse cycle data lead me to greater concern over the possibility of war.. i did a thread on eclipse charts set to washington which can be found here - http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9061

i continue to believe a confluence of astrology needs to be taken into account in order to develop a wider perspective on mundane astrological possibilities.. i look out on the jupiter/saturn conjunction and the saturn/pluto conjunction in 2020 as some type of watershed time frame and i have said as much on previous threads in bits and pieces, like this one here - http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8762

i am not sure how this translates in terms of predictions of world wars, but i have been reading very recently 2 articles that feed into my concerns - not from a western point of view either... they are found immediately below..

http://johnhelmer.net/?p=15751

and http://smoothiex12.blogspot.ca/2016/06/russian-warning.html

now, whether this is just a regular garden variety mars/saturn conjunction coinciding with eclipse data, or goran is correct in his astro conclusions on war in 2016 - i am not sure.. i do however believe changes are in the air and they appear more significant to me at this moment then not..

i truly believe any prediction on world events has to take a number of factors into consideration which is really quite difficult to do.. looking at ingress charts set to one location is only a part of it.. eclipse charts is another part of it.. outer planet conjunctions are another part of it... pulling it all together is no easy task..


Hi James,

That sounds pretty pessimistic to me. Surely, there are more or less confined wars going on somewhere all the time. But your topic made me question, at what stage should a war be called a world war?

Surely, WWII started with a more local conflict, and few would have imagined at the time what it would lead to. So, the pessimistic perspective could be that WWIII has already started, and we are just not aware of it.

How many nations have to be involved? In the previous world wars, by no means every nation was participating.

But what people turning to astrology want to know is mostly how world events would affect them on a personal level.

Certainly Saturn/Pluto in Capricorn speaks to a considerable destructive potential. This could (and will) manifest in many different ways...

Interesting that on the day the exact conjunction occurs, January 12 2020, Sun and Mercury will be conjunct to it as well. Besides Jupiter (and Mars) joining in the months to follow.

Let's hope for the best (hey... I'm a Sagi Wink).
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Posted: Thu Jun 02, 2016 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi michael,

nice to see you here! thanks for your comments...

i agree - i am pessimistic, but i think i am also being realistic... it is funny, but reading peter stockingers post on the mars retro that i linked to above, i happened to notice the last comment in response to his article saying the same thing!!

here's what i see in a nutshell... 2 super powers - usa and russia - focused on syria with very different interest and intent... both claim to want to get rid of isis, while one wants to get rid of assad and the other not.. now whether using isis as a batting ram to help topple assad was the usa's plan all along is open to conjecture, but being pessimistic - that is how i view it..

meanwhile we have saudi arabia, qatar, and perhaps uae, along with turkey essentially supporting the headchoppers, although turkey claims otherwise, as do the rest of them.. funny thing how that border with turkey is so porous and always seems to let in wahabbi inc. headchoppers.. i guess that is just a fluke.. meanwhile israel with it's coveting of the golan heights and etc continues to play a very contradictory role in supporting these so called moderate headchopper cults, while making like they don't have a horse in the race here either.. jordan - much the same... the western european countries continue to play poodle to the usa, while continuing to expand nato to russias doorstep, while using ukraine as an ongoing stage for war games and etc... the financial sanctions on russia, syria and iran - if you look under the hood - continue indefinitely as well..

so, yeah - i am being pessimistic, but i think there are a lot more actors and countries involved in this syria war then folks might like to concede..

i was being more optimistic thinking of a longer window of time here, but i do think things heat up as summer winds down and we approach this mars/saturn conjunction... if on the other hand we go down into a hole 2020 with the beginning of a few important cycles - jupiter/saturn and saturn/pluto and it is either the beginning or the end of where we are at now - i tend to think it will be building up something new - given that they are new and major conjunction starting points.. the conjunction of saturn/pluto in 1914/1915 ( these are every approx 40 year cycles) seems to have coincided with WW1.. the 1947 conjunction happened shortly after WW2... 1982 conjunction doesn't appear to oversee any major world conflict, unless you include one of the dates below found on 1982 wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982... hama massacre feb 2/1982 in syria, fauklands war april 2 1982, june 6 1982 lebanon war and etc.. just what the 2020 saturn/pluto tells us here remains a mystery or part of a puzzle with the pieces scattered about..

and that's the optimistic news spin for ya today!!!
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, James, that sounds interesting.

But why would the USA want to get rid of Assad, while Russia wants him to stay in power? What role does he play?

Please share your view.
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

michael,

this reminds me of what diogenes said about plato "platos philosophy is an endless conversation." actually diogenes said a lot of things about plato... i particularly liked this one :

"when plato said that if i'd gone to the sicilian court as i was invited, i wouldn't have to wash lettuce for a living, i replied that if he washed lettuce for a living he wouldn't have had to go to the sicilian court."

when we were in turkey, we visited sinop - on the black sea.. they have a statue dedicated to diogenes where he is said to have been born - diogenes of sinop.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diogenes_of_Sinope

sorry... i can give you the msm (mainstream media) answer, or the non msm answer.. i would prefer to skip it all, as it is non astrological and i don't want to derail the focus which is supposed to be on astrology! you knew that anyway!! see i can be cheery too, lol...
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Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

James,

The thing is, in order to determine what is likely to happen from an astrological perspective, it helps to first determine what is likely to happen at all. And the latter in turn will be greatly facilitated by understanding the players and their agendas.

But okay... If you think this is too off-topic a topic, too controversial, or too something else, I would be satisfied with a link to a website that sheds some light on what may be happening behind the stage.

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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 4:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

not sure how many folks are following the unfolding dynamic in syria - aleppo specifically, but a type of climax and important junction is happening, or in the process of happening in the next short while.. this coincides closely with the mars/saturn conjunction coming up and of course saturn at present is about 2-3 days from turning direct.

moon is besieged by mars and saturn for about 12 hours from about 3am-3pm friday aug 12th aleppo time... the exact station of saturn is about 20 hours after this on saturday aug 13th.. date of the actual conjunction is approx aug 24th depending where on the planet one is..

2 articles that articulate some of this on the ground..

https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/southfront-final-showdown-battle-aleppo-city-expected-within-days/

and in afganistan
http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2016/08/10/taliban-at-the-gates-of-little-america/
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Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2016 9:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

James you said:-

[/quote]i continue to believe a confluence of astrology needs to be taken into account in order to develop a wider perspective on mundane astrological possibilities.. i look out on the jupiter/saturn conjunction and the saturn/pluto conjunction in 2020 as some type of watershed time frame[/quote]

Thanks for posting the link to your Saturn/Pluto thread.I was looking for it because I have something to say about the Saturn Pluto war cycle and also the Saturn Pluto antiscion conjunction which has been running all this year and might be yet another explanation for the never ending conflict in the Middle East. In due course I will add my thoughts to that thread and you may be able to compare these to the national charts.

I would make the point that some consider the war in Syria to be a proxy US v Russia war. Certainly Hillary Clinton is very hawkish in her views on Russia. See this:-

https://www.rt.com/op-edge/355431-russia-syria-morell-us/
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks vicki and sorry for the delay in responding.. i didn't have anything concrete to say! however, i thought i would continue on with the topic of this mars/saturn conjunction as traditionally it is a combo associated with war... interestingly diplomacy seems to also be a part of it too.. i suppose you can't have the one without the other... the past few days has seen a number of big players on the international stage chime in on what is happening in syria - which to me is the focal point for much of the worlds attention at this point, while yemen, south sudan and etc remain off the radar.. south china sea gets a fair amount of attention as well..

i mentioned in a thread about how i perceived the eclipse data for this year as putting a greater emphasis on what happens in late summer and early fall and how it coincides and accentuates this mars/saturn conjunction... if the conjunction hadn't of lined up with the transiting nodal axis so clearly, i wouldn't be giving this mars/saturn conjunction as much relevance here as i am... all of this to say, here is an excerpt from an article i wish to share highlighting my own astrological comments..

"Last week a Chinese admiral visited Damascus and promised support. The Indian Minister of State for External Affairs also passed by. The Turkish deputy intelligence chief was there for secret talks. Earlier the Turkish president visited Russia and the Turkish foreign minister visited Tehran. Those are a lot of talks between big and important countries and players in the conflict over Syria. None of them, not even Barzani, is in the U.S. camp.

I assume that this outbreak of diplomacy, which bypassed Washington, led to concern that the U.S. might be left out of a resolution in Syria. It had to play a card of its own. That is the most likely explanation for the sudden clashes in Hasakah where the Syrian Kurdish YPG is suddenly determined to kick out the Syrian army garrison that protects the Arab population there. U.S. special forces are "advising" these Kurds."

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/08/syria-the-grown-ups-talk-the-us-creates-more-chaos.html#comments

and this also from today if you want more nuance on a very complex situation regarding syria - https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2016/08/22/aleppo-prepares-for-a-major-battle-and-the-kurds-in-syria-are-attracting-everybodys-animosity/
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Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

James I haven’t had time to post yet about Saturn/Pluto. I have become rather distracted researching the astrological history of US Presidential Elections – very revealing !

With regard to this Mars/Saturn conjunction I have to say that the chart is very disturbing. The conjunction rising just above the asc. (therefore powerful) occurs almost exactly on the star Antares with all its military connotations and is squared by Neptune – death symbolism. I cannot think of a worse placement than Antares for a Mars/Saturn conjunction.

If that weren’t bad enough, Mercury and Jupiter are conjoined on the star Benetnash associated with funerals and mourners (often seen on mundane disaster charts) and Labrum from the constellation of Crater (associated with volcanic eruptions). This is opposed by Uranus in the constellation of Cetus close to Baten Kaitos symbolising turbulence. The planetary emphasis of this axis symbolises catastrophe.

Worrying also is the position of the Moon at 22Taurus45(on the star Zaurak in Eridanus- a cataclysmic effect). This was almost exactly the degree of the Saturn/Jupiter conjunction in May 2000 which has brought us all the horror since the turn of the century – 9/11, Gulf War, “Arab Spring” and ensuing Syrian War, Migrant/refugee crisis etc.

As far as America is concerned the Mars/Saturn conjunction is exactly opposing Uranus on the asc. of the national chart.The symbolic arc direction of the 2000 conj. has now reached 9 Gemini exactly conjoining this point.

I think America’s militaristic involvement will continue with devastating consequences. I see no hope of peace in Syria in the near future or at least for the duration of this conjunction.

On another note – James could you please tell me how to insert quotes in my posts? You’ll see I made a hash of it in my previous post! I cannot find any assistance on the Help pages. You may wish to PM me if that is more appropriate. Thanks.
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Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Michael Sternbach wrote:
Thanks, James, that sounds interesting.

But why would the USA want to get rid of Assad, while Russia wants him to stay in power? What role does he play?

Please share your view.



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