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Donald Trump's Candidacy
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would point out that forecasting ZR on Trump's chart is potentially error ridden because the ZR (fortune or spirit) can be off by as much as 30-42 years if the birth time is off by 8 minutes. I'd look at his past successes and failures to see which times have been favorable/unfavorable such as the times of his four bankruptcies, most notable lawsuits (billionaires get them almost daily), etc...


Thanks Curtis. That would make ZR even more liable to serious miscalculation than primary directions if our birth time is out even a fairly small amount. In both instances it seems we need to rectify a chart to double check key events against these techniques. Indeed I suppose those with faith in ZR could use it as a general rectification tool.

I haven't really got into ZR myself. I am fairly sure my birth time is accurate but I dont find the periods from Spirit reflect my life events that accurately. The periods from Lot of Fortune seem to work somewhat better. However, overall the Firdar periods seem more accurate to me. Even better though are annual and monthly profections. There seems a lot less risk of going wrong this way too than with ZR too.

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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

For everyone born in the previous 2 hours before Trump, the periods would be the same of 30 years. It's only because Trump has Fortune at 28 Aq and Spirit at 1 Pi that brings the positions of the lots into question. ZR is actually a fairly good way to do rectification if you have a clear period of high visibility (for instance John Travolta in 1977 in Saturday Night Fever and 1994 in Pulp Fiction), then that can be checked for peak periods. But if the lot is in the center of the sign, then it's not ideal for rectification; its usefulness is in specifying a 2 hour interval for birth using just one of the lots.

After that you have to rely on other methods to get the rising degree.
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

zoidsoft wrote:
I would ask the question: what happened to Trump's reputation on these dates:



1949- too young to insult anyone-(at least by speech)
1973-Racial discrimination suit filed by Justice department- later settled out of court

1991-1992- tactical corporate bankruptcies- The Taj Mahal,Trump Plaza

1999- a candidate for Reform party dropped out after winning Michigan and California primaries.

I think it is the Capricorn sub periods that has done more damage than anything else.The L3 of Capricorn in Gemini will be critical.
The Capricorn L2 period starts from 12/28/2017.

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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 4:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pankajdubey wrote:
1949- too young to insult anyone-(at least by speech)


The way I handle this in my consultations is to ask what the father was doing at that time. Theoretically when we're very young, the parents act out the lots of fortune (mother) and spirit (father). This idea is mirrored in the idea as Valens states, that when the nativity is very young, count the times in hours until you reach days, then count the times in days until you reach months, then in months until you reach years. Just as the embryo represents the stages of birth through death in the 9 months of pregnancy, so too do the early days represent the whole of later life (similar to the idea that ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny).
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pankajdubey wrote:


I think it is the Capricorn sub periods that has done more damage than anything else.The L3 of Capricorn in Gemini will be critical.
The Capricorn L2 period starts from 12/28/2017.

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Yes. Due to Saturn in detriment (and possibly in topical 12th). I'd watch how things pan out during the Leo L3 period because this is a period where the malefic out of sect is present and without help from benefics (Valens says the sextile ray is too weak to break the malice of malefics - in the case of Trump's Jupiter in Libra).

However Valens says that with eminent nativities that malefics typically work in favor of the native by damaging those around him until the tide turns toward a dramatic end. Trump's Mars seems to be acting in a way that could set him up for this latter scenario rather than what would be typical of anyone else making statements that would be campaign enders. The L3 Leo spirit period runs from Aug 28 - Oct 14, 2016. He enters Taurus L2 - Leo L3 tomorrow (Jan 21) until March 8th, 2016.
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a link to a piece by Mundane astrologer Barry Goddard in his blog Astrotabletalk.

He comes out favouring a win by Trump this year.

http://astrotabletalk.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/why-donald-trump-will-be-next-us.html

Whether this article is correct or not I have to say the astrological content of this piece is very light. It reads more like an opinion piece than a really thorough astrological analysis using predictive techniques. Of course we always have to temper our astrological analysis with an awareness of what is politically realistic. Its no good making a prediction that is totally out of touch with political facts on the ground. At same time I do think our opinions should be supported by strong astrological logic.

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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 4:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trump will not be elected to the office.

Trump natal and Paran charts:

Natal Sun-Mars midpoint is at 115°42'. Natal Saturn at 115°43' is conjunct.

Natal MC is at 51°48'. It is squared by his natal Mars-Pluto midpoint at 141°54' (51°48' + 90° = 141°48?'.

He has a natal paran wherein when natal Sun is on the ascendant natal Moon is on the descendant and natal Mars is on the IC.

For birth place: Sun rises at 330°27', Moon sets at 328°48', Mars is on the IC at 329°26'.

http://imgur.com/a/0WsE7

Before election night:

Is this when he gets his marching orders?

Donald Trump New York City natal chart has Neptune/Pluto midpoint at 160°09'. It will be conjoined by a Solar Eclipse at 160°56' and squared by the midpoint of transiting Mars and Saturn at 250°34' on Sep 1 2016 and opposed by transit Neptune at 161°11'.

Election Night:

Trump's natal Saturn is at 115°43'. His natal Sun/Mars midpoint is at 115°42'. His secondary progressed Moon at 9 pm, EST, on Nov 8, 2016, will be at 115°15' stimulating both.

His quotidian progressed solar return (precessed) at 9 pm on Nov 8 in New York (birthplace) will have 171°42' on the MC. Return Mars/Saturn midpoint rises at 170°28.

Inauguration Day:

Trump's natal Sun is at 82°18'. Transit Saturn at noon on January 20, 2017, at 263°00' will be in opposition.

Trump natal Saturn/Pluto midpoint 125°02'; secondary progressed Saturn at noon January 20, 2017, will be at 125°02'.

His quotidian progressed solar return on January 20, 2017, will have RAMC at 250°07'. Secondary progressed Sun/Pluto sets at 250°19', return Saturn on the MC at 251°03 while natal Mars sets at 251°37' - all will be stimulated.

His QPDS (demi-solar not solar) in New York at noon on January 20th will have a RAMC at 219°08'. The West Point will be at 129°08'. His progressed Saturn/Pluto midpoint at 130°43' will be on it in square to the MC.
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Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2016 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A major article in the San Francisco Chronicle today was titled: Trump 'unfit,' Obama says, challenges GOP

Wednesday, April 3, 2016

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WASHINGTON -- In a searing denouncement, President Obama castigated Donald Trump as "unfit" and "woefully unprepared" to serve in the White House. He challenged Republicans to withdraw their support for their party nominee, declaring, "There has to come a point at which you have to say 'enough.'"

---------------end quote---------------

http://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/Trump-s-trap-GOP-nominee-can-t-let-go-of-9040064.php

This is only the beginning of President Obama's statement. Much more follows in the article. This is the state of affairs here in the US at the moment. The political world is in turmoil, and this should no doubt show up in whatever charts astrologers use to chart the on-going American political situation. I'm not sure how aware the world is of current US events. There are currently deep divisions within the Republican party which is of major importance for the country. And Donald Trump is at the center of the storm.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reactivating this thread because Ellen did such a good job of analysing the charts back in January. Her posts on page 1 are worth reading again.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks deb for pushing this thread to the top again..

thanks again to ellen for a really excellent analysis of trumps chart with an extremely solid prediction that was indeed correct!
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What I like is that her views are free of political bias. It is worth considering that most astrologers predicted a win for Clinton but I assume (based on Facebook posts) that all, or at least nearly all of those astrologers also wanted a win for Clinton. There have also been some astrologers who predicted a win for Trump - some were very vocal (and insulting to other astrologers) and some laid out some impressive and persuasive astrological arguments which deserve congratulations, but it also seems clear from the Facebook comments I have seen that those astrologers who predicted a Trump win were also rooting for a Trump win. So what I like is the clear -straightforward presentation of the reasoning, without any sense of shock or elation if what is seen in the chart actually comes to pass.
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think it is more difficult then it seems to separate one's political bias from their astrological work.. i want to go on record as being someone who was hoping for a trump win, but that i had predicted ( wrongly ) that clinton would win.. so, i can't say i fall into that category, but i think many astrologers probably do.. either way, ellens post deserves a strong endorsement as this was back in january before a lot was known.. she did this based only on trumps chart. kudos to her!
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It appears that the charts I use showed this but I did not want to believe them. See attached chart.

Here is the period of time I think will be very important for Trump and the country. It is a very strong transit of Saturn as it stations on points in the Trump and Sibly charts. Jun 25 through October 10 2017. Saturn to Trumps Sun and Moon (conjunct his Moon and opp his Sun - beginning when 1 degree before through 1 degree after exact [in right ascension) and stationing there just 4 days after the total solar eclipse of Aug 21 that spans the contiguous 48 states, is opposite the Sibly Moon and conjoins Trumps Mars and Asc.. During that time that transit Saturn opposes Sibly Mars and squares Sibly Neptune, There may be more but I am too tired to see more right now.

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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the re-evaluation Unique, and thanks James for your comment which surprised me. I'd be interested to hear from others who predicted against their personal inclination because I may be wrong, but it is something I think we need to be very careful about. I think a lot of astrologers who might have argued for Trump astrologically were disinclined to promote the view that he was meant to be the most politically powerful person on Earth. Therefore the voices of the pro-Clinton predictors were louder, simply because of this.
Personally, I don't believe that the study of natal charts gives a totally reliable answer, and Ellen probably benefitted from only talking about the events in Trump's chart. If she had also explored and discussed those in Clinton's I think her conviction might have been diminished. Having a year in which your voice is platformed on the whole of the world's stage, and becoming runner up to being the most politically powerful person on Earth is hardly a year of non-achievement.
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2016 7:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Deb, James and others who took the time to read my post. I was pleased to be able to post it on Skyscript, where I knew it would be considered on its astrological merits alone.

As for my ability to divorce myself from political preferences, I come by that by virtue of my background. I am an astrologer practicing in Tucson, Arizona, after a long career as an intelligence analyst in Washington, D.C. It may be hard to believe, but as such, I was paid to be impartial to politics, working only in service to the facts.

Also, speaking pragmatically, I saw political appointees from both parties come and go over the course of my career. They invariably came in with lofty goals often matched only by their egos, intending to Change Everything. In truth, they changed very little.

Political neutrality is thus second nature to me, and to a certain extent was required by law during my time in Washington.

Once an analyst, always an analyst, and it has been a pleasure in my post-government days to turn to doing astrological analysis. For this, I am grateful to be able to draw upon the unique and rich resource that is Skyscript. It has informed my work in countless ways., and I owe a debt of gratitude to Deb and all who strive to make it the gem that it is.
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