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turkey - 2016 update
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james_m



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Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2016 1:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi vicki,

thanks for your feedback! indeed we can look at the nodal axis and a lot more, in spite of no specific time of day for karlov's birth time.. one could also say that karlov was more susceptible to uranus/neptune influence as his nodal axis natally 22 cap/cancer is highlighted by uranus on the south node, while neptune squares both ends!

it is interesting what you say about the uranus/neptune conjunction.. can you look at it removing the position of saturn from this conjunction? i think you can, in spite of how saturn was an ongoing part of the duo for much of the time of the conjunction..

as for this generation and the advent of the popularity of the internet and technology, i suppose... what do you use to define the industrial revolution astrologically? if one takes approx 1820 as the starting area - again we see uranus/neptune in a conjunction position, but in sag..

i don't want to get too removed from the topic of turkey here, so it is best to reply with a new thread on this topic of uranus/neptune.. i am interested to read your comments on the conjunction! indeed many of these young ''moderate headchoppers'' may be born within this time frame of the uranus/neptune conjunction, regardless of there country of origin..
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Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i mentioned the nightclub attack in istanbul on jan 1st in a thread fleur started here earlier today -

http://skyscript.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9379

i follow turkey news and i see the country descending into more fear and angst, thanks to a confluence of events... the solar arc directions, in particular the mars/ascendant square directed to natal pluto here speak loudly of the terrorist events that have happened the past year with an obvious question on the timing of when it will end..

today it was announced that the leader of the opposition has been issued a warning of a potential attack on him - http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-govt-warns-chp-head-kilicdaroglu-of-potential-attack-targeting-him.aspx?pageID=238&nID=108082&NewsCatID=338

the leader of the opposition - Kemal Kılıçdaroğlu, has said a few challenging things in a write up on him also found in today's hurriyet news found here.. http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/akp-govt-responsible-for-rise-in-terror-and-should-resign-chp-leader.aspx?pageID=238&nID=108095&NewsCatID=338

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kemal_K%C4%B1l%C4%B1%C3%A7daro%C4%9Flu

below is a noon chart set for his birthplace.. i note with concern the transiting pluto in the vicinity of his natal mars.. but without more info on his chart, there is very little to go on.. t saturn is doing a transit over his natal sun/mercury this year as well...

reading a number of opinion and hews pieces in the paper today, it is clear turkey is in a state of turmoil with no obvious end in sight.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/

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Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2017 1:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

turkey referendum on a presidential system where one man - erdogan - rules, and etc. etc.. happens on april 16th 2017.. it is coming at a time that erdogan is pushing for a trip by his armed forces as part of the ongoing operation euphrates shield which began on the mars/saturn conjunction some time ago.. i am not sure where i have that chart posted on skyscript...

here is a noon chart for april 16 2017 referendum date... astro thoughts anyone?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_military_intervention_in_Syria

relevant reading material from today for anyone interested..
https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2017/03/01/putin-is-expected-to-lead-the-anti-trump-front-in-syria-or-to-engage-in-bargaining-with-trump/
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello from Turkey forum,

james_m

I have just seen the thread, and I have just read it. I also had a quick look for the one you posted back in 2012.

I am studying horary. So, I am not be able to make further comments as a member living in Turkey as you said on your post Sad

However, I have also read that you wished you spoke Turkish so that you cld. Have further data when needed. I will be happy to help you with this Cool Confused

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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi breeze,

any help in finding birth times, or being made aware of birth data on some of the leading characters in turkey politically speaking would be very helpful!

erdogan would be a good first place to start... does anyone have any birth data for him, other then the day chart everyone has to work with? etc. etc. thanks..
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well... I have had a search on the internet, and only data I can forward you is from Öner Döşer where he has rectified birth time for Erdogan as 4.08 a.m. But he says he has doubts with the rectification ( he does not say why ) , and that he wld only look at the aspects with that chart. Here is the link;

http://www.onerdoser.com/makaleler/darbe-girisimi-ve-bundan-sonrasi-ii-186

I should tell you that, birth day and birth time are not great imporance to parents here, mainly in back old days and mostly in small towns and in villages where babies were delivered at home by midwives. Parents wld. remember their kids' birthdays by things like related to soil or weather- they wld say his kid was worn at wheat time - and so on... And they wld. just simply choose any day for identification cards of their kids.

So, any birthday datas from this land, let birth hour alone - even the birth day shd be invastigated by great care.

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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi breeze.. thanks!

i had emailed oner, but never heard back.. i have e mailed him a few times, but perhaps he doesn't speak english or has too many fish to fry as it is..
regarding the 408am time for erdogan.. not a bad guess in many respects.. cap rising with saturn on the midheaven - like the queen of england, lol... i get the impression, there is something in erdogans dreams along a similar line... and of course he is trying to pull it off here too with the referendum..

those are excellent comments from you on the nature of getting birth data from people born in turkey.. thanks for all of that! cheers james
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:32 pm    Post subject: euphrates shield event Reply with quote

further to my posts on the first page of this thread - feb 19th 2016 444am which highlights the mars/saturn conjunction on the ascendant for ankara and marks the approx time for the beginning of turkeys 'euphrates shield' operation as noted in my post on aug 25th 2016 424am, today marks an official announcement of the end of this military operation.. " Turkey says 'Euphrates Shield' operation in Syria 'successfully completed' " - https://www.rt.com/news/382732-turkey-euphrates-shield-operation--syria-ends/

one can take a look at the chart for turkeys solar return for this year page 2 of this thread dated Sun Dec 18, 2016 7:36 pm and note how the transiting sun at approx 9 aries moves thru the moon/jupiter conjunction in the midheaven area of the 2016 solar return chart. transit venus is exact opposite the midheaven degree also.. on the other hand, t neptune squares venus/saturn conjunction exactly on the ascendant in the solar return chart... i guess if this military exercise of turkeys is indeed over, it seems to me more like a feel good fix to help along the results of the upcoming april 16th referendum more then anythingt.. meanwhile i read that the media in turkey are overwhelmingly voicing the erdogan - apk position - yes vote, while negating to cover the oppositions 'no' views on this vote being put to the turkish public..

it seems to me turkey continues to navigate a tough course at this point in time historically.. while i am uncertain of the outcome of this referendum result, i remain very curious of the outcome in a few weeks time and how turkey works forward from here on the domestic and international levels..
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