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yuzuru



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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 1:09 pm    Post subject: Ancient Fragment Reply with quote

Found on internet an ancient greek fragment, II sec AD. Available at
www.hti.umich.edu Advanced Papyrological Information System, APIS. In search put "astrology". Then look for astrological treatise. I found it interesting to see how things like exaltations and antiscion were described in that time.

An example of exaltation, for some reason he doesnt talk about mercury....
" And nature assigned them thrones and prisons; their thrones the signs upon which they are exalted and have royal power and prisons wherein they are depressed and oppose their own powers. The [throne of the Sun] is at 19° of Aries, [his prison in Libra. The Moon's throne] us 3° of Taurus, [her prison 3° of Scorpio]. Saturn's [throne is 21° of Libra, his prison in Aries. The throne of Jupiter is 15°] of Cancer, his prison 15° [of Capricornus]. The throne of Mars [is 28° of Capricornus and his prison 28] of Cancer. [The throne of] Venus [is 27° of Pisces,] her prison [27° of Virgo].
(Col. XVII)

Triplicities, I think:
"[- - -] . . . and in Libra, Aquarius and Gemini . . . In Taurus, Virgo, and Capricornus the Moon, Venus and Mercury rejoice, and in part Mars, but he does not take part in the governorship because the trianle belongs to similar gods as masters. In Scorpio, Pisces, and Cancer Mars and Venus rejoice, and the Moon shares the triangle as well, but does not take part in the governorship by day. This is the order of the houses and exaltations. . . . "

Hope you find it interesting
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Kevin



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Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yuz,


Following your directions I could not find the text:

"Advanced Papyrological Information System, APIS. In search put "astrology"."

I did not find APIS or the "search" possibility. Can you just post the link to the text?



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Deb
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found it, but by doing a Google search for the APIS site.

Go to http://www.columbia.edu/cu/lweb/projects/digital/apis/

And enter astrology as the search term from there.
The results page will give you a great collection of assorted texts and horoscopes from antiquity. The one referred to here is about the 5th one down, headed “Astrological Treatise, IInd century A.D.” To eliminate all confusion its reference number is P.Mich.:3:149


You can try putting in the direct link:
http://www.columbia.edu/cgi-bin/cul/apis/apis?mode=item&key=michigan.apis.1290

But when I did this earlier the translation was much shorter than the one I got when going through the search procedure. The full text ends: “[- - -] . . . in the quartile aspect or in opposition to the Moon when it is becoming full signifies insecurity, great and bloody dangers; and in quartile aspect to the waning Moon . . . is especially significant of insecurity and danger . . .;;(Col. XIX-XXII: too fragmentary to be translated)”

I found it interesting that, according to this text, Hippocrates called the Sun Daemon and the Moon Fortune, which makes sense of the formula used to calculate the part of fortune and daemon, the former referring to mundane matters, the latter to spiritual matters.


Thanks Yuzuru.
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Posted: Mon May 02, 2005 5:58 pm    Post subject: Other things Reply with quote

You´re welcome, deb, I have lot of times for the next two months, if you like, I can search a lot of websites for you, hahaha

I would like to show a couple, if you dont mind
http://www.habarbadi.com/astrofaces/ is a very strange project of astrophysiognomy, in the line of "we want to prove astrology is a science so we have status", basically they ask people to say their sun sign, moon sign and AC and send a picture, so one can study resemblences... I thought it could be educative if one compare it with the article http://www.skyscript.co.uk/physiognomy.html or the works of Lilly. I personally didn`t find any pattern at all, but I am lousy at this sort of thing :-)

I would like to recommend http://www.hps.cam.ac.uk/starry/starrymessenger.html it is not properly about astrology, but talks about the work of a lot of traditional astrologers, focusing in their astronomical work mostly.
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Posted: Tue May 03, 2005 2:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

deb and yuz.,


Thanks so much that really helped.




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