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National Charts for the USA

 
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 11:04 pm    Post subject: National Charts for the USA Reply with quote

No country has spawned more proposed national charts than the USA! There are numerous charts for July 4th 1776. Moreover, there are a significant number of other dates in US history that have been proposed as the basis for a national chart.

I personally, think more than one chart can be radical for a country reflecting key moments in a nations history. However, clearly, not every chart for July 4th 1776 can be right can they? I leave you to make your own mind up on this contentious subject.

Before you look at the charts themselves I want to offer you links to some very good articles discussing the competing charts for July 4th.

http://www.astrology.co.uk/news/USA.htm

http://cura.free.fr/xxv/22sibly.html#N

Articles on the Sibly (Sagittarius rising) chart:

http://www.astrology.co.uk/news/sibly.htm

http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/riddleusahoroscope.shtml

Note: the commonly used Sagittarius rising chart for July 4th 1776 is spelled Sibly not Sibley. Its derived from the English astrologer, physician and herbalist, Ebenezer Sibly (1751-1799) who first cited this chart time. Although, like every issue relating to the US chart the facts are not straightforward.

The American astrologer Dane Rudhyar mistakenly used the spelling Sibley in his articles on the USA national horoscope in the early 1970's and unfortunately most American astrologers have followed Rudhyar in this error.

Articles on the Gemini rising chart for the USA:

https://www.light.org/research.cfm?RS=11

http://tonylouis.wordpress.com/2012/02/25/why-i-use-a-usa-gemini-rising-chart/

An article on the Scorpio rising chart for the USA

http://www.neptunecafe.com/ScorpioRising.html

An article by Zip Dobyns advocating a Virgo rising chart for the USA:
http://www.ccrsdodona.org/articles/current/2002_01_14_declarindep.html

An article advocating the Armistead chart (July 2nd for USA) amongst others: http://www.ccrsdodona.org/articles/current/2002_01_14_declarindep.html

Charts for 4th July 1776

Gemini Rising Charts

1. Uranus Rising chart (Gemini rising)
Date: 07/04/1776 (July 4, 1776)
Time: 02:13:32 (2:13:32 AM) LMT (+5:00:39)
Place: Philadelphia, PA (Lat: 39 N 57; Lng: 75 W 9)
First proposed: Early 20th century?
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USA_No.9

2. Dr. James D Keifer ,Elbert Benjamine, HV Herndon, CC Zain/Walter, Wynne Chart (Gemini rising)
Date: 07/04/1776 (July 4, 1776)
Time: 02:17 (2:17 AM) LMT (+5:00:39)
Place: Philadelphia, PA (Lat: 39 N 57; Lng: 75 W 9)
First proposed/cited: 1908 (Dr. James D Keifer appears to be the originator of this chart).

3. R.A. Billington, B.J. Loewenborg and S.H. Bruckunier Chart (Gemini rising). Also Clement Hey/Gar Osten chart (Gemini rising)
Date: 07/04/1776 (July 4, 1776)
Time: 03:01 (3:01 AM) LMT (+5:00:39)
Place: Philadelphia, PA (Lat: 39 N 57; Lng: 75 W 9)
First cited/proposed: 1947

4 Evangeline Adams chart (Gemini rising)
Date: 07/04/1776 (July 4, 1776)
Time: 03:03 (3:03 AM) LMT (+5:00:39)
Place: Philadelphia, PA (Lat: 39 N 57; Lng: 75 W 9)
First cited/proposed: 1927

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USA_No.2

Virgo Rising Charts

5. Boehrer/Dobyns chart (Virgo rising)
Date: 07/04/1776 (July 4, 1776)
Time: 09:36 (9:36 AM) LMT (+5:00:39)
Place: Philadelphia, PA (Lat: 39 N 57; Lng: 75 W 9)
First cited/proposed: 1975
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USA_No.3

6. Howland chart (Virgo rising)
Date: 07/04/1776 (Jul 4, 1776)
Time: 11:00 (11:00 AM) LMT (+5:00:39)
Place: Philadelphia, PA (Lat: 39 N 57; Lng: 75 W 9)
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USA_No.10

Libra Rising Charts

7 Frank Piechoski chart (Libra rising)
Date: 07/04/1776 (July 4, 1776)
Time: 12:00 (12:00 PM) LMT (+5:00:39)
Place: Philadelphia, PA (Lat: 39 N 57; Lng: 75 W 9)
First proposed: 21st century

8. Lewis Howard chart (Libra rising)
Date: 07/04/1776 (July 4, 1776)
Time: 12:14:45 (12:14:42 PM) LMT (+5:00:39)
Place: Philadelphia, PA (Lat: 39 N 57; Lng: 75 W 9)
First proposed: 1951

9 Kenneth Bowser (Sidereal Virgo rising)
Date: 07/04/1776 (July 4, 1776)
Time: 12:16 (12:16 PM) LMT (+5:00:39)
Place: Philadelphia, PA (Lat: 39 N 57; Lng: 75 W 9)
First proposed: 2016.

10. John Hazelrigg Chart (A) (Libra rising)
Date: 07/04/1776 (July 4, 1776)
Time: 12:15 (12:15 PM) LMT (+5:00:39)
Place: Philadelphia, PA (Lat: 39 N 57; Lng: 75 W 9)
First cited/proposed: 1900 NB: Hazelrigg had proposed a time of 12:15 in the first edition of his book in 1900. In 1915 Hazelrigg altered his rectified time to 12:20 LMT.

11. John Hazelrigg Chart (B) (Libra rising)
Date: 07/04/1776 (July 4, 1776)
Time: 12:20 (12:20 PM) LMT (+5:00:39)
Place: Philadelphia, PA (Lat: 39 N 57; Lng: 75 W 9)
First cited/proposed: 1915 NB: Hazelrigg had proposed a time of 12:15 in the first edition of his book in 1900. In 1915 Hazelrigg altered his rectified time to 12:20 LMT.

Scorpio Rising Charts

12. Gallard Hunt chart (Scorpio rising)
Date: 07/04/1776 (Jul 4, 1776)
Time: 14:00 (2:00 PM) LMT (+5:00:39)
Place: Philadelphia, PA (Lat: 39 N 57; Lng: 75 W 9)

13. Marc Penfield chart (Scorpio rising)
Date: 07/04/1776 (Jul 4, 1776)
Time: 14:21 (2:21 PM) LMT (+5:00:39)
Place: Philadelphia, PA (Lat: 39 N 57; Lng: 75 W 9)
First proposed: 1984
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USA_No.11

Sagittarius Rising Charts

14. (Sibly Chart A /Vivian Robson) (Sagittarius rising)
Date: 07/04/1776 (July 4, 1776)
Time: 16:50 (4:50 PM) LMT (+5:00:39)
Place: Philadelphia, PA (Lat: 39 N 57; Lng: 75 W 9)
Date First Cited: 1785 (derived from Sibly's data)
http://www.astro.com/im/in/chart_us_e.gif

15. (Sibly Chart B) (Sagittarius rising)
Date: 07/04/1776 (July 4, 1776)
Time: 17:10 (5:10 PM) LMT (+5:00:39)
Place: Philadelphia, PA (Lat: 39 N 57; Lng: 75 W 9)
Date First Cited: 1785 (derived from Sibly's data)
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USA_No.1

16. Dane Rudhyar chart (Sagittarius rising)
Date: 07/04/1776 (July 4, 1776)
Time: 17:14 (5:14 PM) LMT (+5:00:39)
Place: Philadelphia, PA (Lat: 39 N 57; Lng: 75 W 9)
Date first cited/proposed: 1971
http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/riddleusahoroscope.shtml

17 Regulus Astrology/Dr H Chart (Sagittarius rising)
Date: 07/04/1776 (July 4, 1776)
Time: 18:17:37 (6:17:37 PM) LMT (+5:00:39)
Place: Philadelphia, PA (Lat: 39 N 57; Lng: 75 W 9)
First cited/proposed: 2008

Pisces Rising Chart

18. John B.Earley Chart (Pisces rising chart)
Date: 07/04/1776 (July 4, 1776)
Time: 22:04 (10:04 PM) LMT (+5:00:39)
Place: Philadelphia, PA (Lat: 39 N 57; Lng: 75 W 9)
Date first cited/proposed: 1914

Other National Charts for USA

1. The Boyd Chart. 26th July, 1775 -Continental Congress Declares War
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USA_No.6

2 The Armistead Chart 2nd July , 1776. Congress votes for Independence from Great Britain. Congress agreed the wording of the Declaration of Independence on July 4th.

http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USA_No.4

Note: The astrologer Peter Novak has rectified this chart to give a time of 17.25pm.

3 Signing of Articles of Confederation (David Solte) 1777. Rectified time of 12:46:06 P.M. LMT by David Solte. First proposed 1993.
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USA_No.7

4 Ratification of Articles of Confederation ( Ron Grimes) 1st March 1781
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USA_No.8

5 Surrender at Yorktown 1781, British Forces in North America Surrender at Yorktown 1781
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USA_No.14

6 Signing of Treaty of Paris, 1783
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USA_No.13

7 Signing of Federal Constitution,1787.
http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Nation:_USA_No.5

8 Ratification of Federal Constitution, 1788.

9 Federal Government/Constitution begins 4th March 1789
http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/aad/aad_fedchart.shtml

10 POTUS chart. 1789-30th April 1789 Inauguration of George Washington as first US President in New York City. Times vary from 12:45PM-1.20pm
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Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2016 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark

Recently I read Barbara Watters's book "Horary Astrology and the Judgment of Stars". In there I found the chart she described as the horoscope of the USA which is the 2.17 a.m. one.

Being new to American astrology I had no idea there were so many many different charts and before I realised that,I embarked on a small project to see if I could find any correlation between that USA chart and the 20 year cycle of presidents dying.

I did quite a lot of work and considered I had found something significant and was going to post about it until I found out there were all these other charts.

However I would just say that in my research I kept finding that 8 - 9 (Asc. conjoin Uranus) degrees turning up in presidents' charts allied to the 1842 Great Mutation degree of 8 degrees 54 Capricorn which fell on the 8th equal house cusp of that chart. I also worked out why it must have stopped with Reagan.

Barbara Watters herself referred to the mutation falling in the eighth house of death in the USA chart (Chapter 5 Page 42) and linked it to the presidents' deaths. I just decided to look into a it a bit further. Perhaps it was fortuitous because I would not have done it if I'd known about all those other charts !
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