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Saturnhead



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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 11:04 am    Post subject: Grand National 2017 Reply with quote





What we doing then, going for the square to Jupiter / Sun, or taking the trine to Moon?

What about that annoying POF square to Mars, and it being the hour of Mars?
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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What about that annoying POF square to Mars, and it being the hour of Mars?


Interestingly the fav, VIEUX LION ROUGE (Old Red Lion) won at Haydock on18th Feb 15.15 - 1st aspect was to Mars. In an interview after, his trainer described the horse as 'A Warrior'.

In the previous race, 3ed Dec 2016, 1st aspect quincunx Sun, conj, Sat, sextile mars - Old Red Lion. Won at 8/1.

The horse has won it's last two races on this track.

As for the square to Libra Jupiter - you'd have to back Thunder and Roses e/w. I probably won't be betting on this race though. If i do, i'll be looking for a Moon horse, or possibly The Last Samurai - for the same reasons that i backed him last year - Sun, L12.
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are still 79 runners listed but the maximum number of runners allowed is 40, so nearly half the listed runners will withdraw or be balloted out. I am going to wait until Thursday when the actual runners will be known (baring last minute withdrawals).

At the moment I am looking at Jupiter, and so Thunder and Roses as an EW bet. Possibly more thoughts when we see the actual runners.
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Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2017 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is it really bothersome that MC is Contra Parallel Saturn, ruling the 5th?
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Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2017 12:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

both luminaries have very tight applying aspect to pluto at 19.22 Cap, which looks significant to me.
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Is it really bothersome that MC is Contra Parallel Saturn, ruling the 5th?


Not necessarily. I would suggest that it has more to do with the tradition of the race that he broadcasters will bang on about at every opportunity.
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

True. Or maybe it's saying Blaklion? Or, maybe that's the Pluto/Sun thing Hera suggested.

So many options...
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 4:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mars Sq POF

-Definitly Red
-Vieux Lion Rouge
-The Last Samuri
-The Crafty Butcher

Jupiter Opp Sun

-More Of That
-Rogue Angel
-Thunder And Roses
-Saint Are
-Bless The Wings
-Lord Windermere
-Bishops Road

Saturn

-Blaklion
-Highland Lodge

Moon

-Measureofmydreams (Moon/Virgo would be 'poetry')
-Double Shuffle
-Lessons In Milan

Plus, there is loads more.

Waiting for some Yin intuition...
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1) something extra for brainstorming

just a par: just "equal", which speaks a very careful&precise language to me (moon rising in virgo)

cause of causes: double phrase (moon in virgo) , philosophy (sun/jupiter),drilling down to the deep cause (pluto)



2)any other suggestion for a pluto horse?

In the names listed above, "last samuri" sounds quite plutonic to me; I also have "wounded warrior" for (mars,sun/pluto aspect)



3)Another important aspect I am thinking is the very tight venus/saturn square, both planets are angular and are retrograding (with saturn stationed days before the race). Saturn also rules POF
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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True. Or maybe it's saying Blaklion? Or, maybe that's the Pluto/Sun thing Hera suggested.


It's definitely about the nature of the race. For sure, the going's going to be hard/rocky in places.


Seriously though, i'm not a great fan of retro Jupiter in Libra - I've been keeping my eyes open for that and i've noticed very few, if any, Jupiter horses winning - and a square? First to fall, probably. The square to the Sun also puts me off a bit, but i do like the trine to the angular Moon. With the Moon so prominent in the chart, it might be a case of looking for the market movers...

Did anyone mention Perfect Candidate?
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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3)Another important aspect I am thinking is the very tight venus/saturn square, both planets are angular and are retrograding (with saturn stationed days before the race). Saturn also rules POF



It's tough - thought maybe they are both too far from the angles to matter, but who knows... Thumbs up
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but i do like the trine to the angular Moon. With the Moon so prominent in the chart


-Silver Man
-Emperor's Choice (Mercury rules the MC)
-Lord Windermere (Mercury rules the MC / Lake Windermere)


We need a stage two filter...
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Raz de maree (tidal wave/tsunami) Lots of shaking (moon/pluto/mars trine) , but I am not very convinced that rising moon in virgo and rx venus in Pisces are sufficient to justify for water scheme. The moon had separated from a opposition to neptune in 6th.


https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raz-de-marée
The wikipedia seems to suggest the phrase refers to both of tidal wave and tsunami although the two are very different.


https://www2.usgs.gov/faq/node/3141

What is the difference between a tsunami and a tidal wave?
Although both are sea waves, a tsunami and a tidal wave are two different and unrelated phenomena. A tidal wave is the wave motion of the tides. A tidal wave is a shallow water wave caused by the gravitational interactions between the Sun, Moon, and Earth. ("Tidal wave" was used in earlier times to describe what we now call a tsunami.) Tsunamis are ocean waves triggered by large earthquakes that occur near or under the ocean, volcanic eruptions, submarine landslides, and by onshore landslides in which large volumes of debris fall into the water.
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ModWasp wrote:
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but i do like the trine to the angular Moon. With the Moon so prominent in the chart


-Silver Man
-Emperor's Choice (Mercury rules the MC)
-Lord Windermere (Mercury rules the MC / Lake Windermere)


We need a stage two filter...


I think we always had the virgo rising and gemini MC in the last 10 years. but maybe this year is more important as the moon rising?
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hera wrote:
Raz de maree (tidal wave/tsunami) Lots of shaking (moon/pluto/mars trine) , but I am not very convinced that rising moon in virgo and rx venus in Pisces are sufficient to justify for water scheme. The moon had separated from a opposition to neptune in 6th..


It's true, but water seems to be a theme.

-Moon on an angle.
-Pisces on the DC.
-11th House (Pennies from heaven) ruled by Moon.
-POF Aquarius - Rules Water in Vedic Jaimini Astrology.
-Mercury (MC Ruler) is in a water house.
-Jupiter (traditional ruler of Neptune) is in the first house.
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